So you can "WIN" e3 now? News to me :roll:

Just because sony HAS to do something or they have failed with betamax (wtf? why did you even bring that up?) doesn't mean ANYTHING.

How about you just wait a little bit til e3 is actually here, eh?

[QUOTE="Corvin"]

Then I would say the physics succeeded. If they are so natural you don't even notice them I'd say thats excellent.Arsuz

No I would say, it was the total lack of physics that made them go unnoticed,

Because its HAVOC physics. Does noone know what that is? For now, it is the best and has been the best for years. Games like Max Payne and Half Life 2 used it. Oblivion and Saints Row used it. Though the use of the physics in oblivion were meh. The game still has to calculate so many objects rolling down hills and enemies when the drop on objects.. So they don't clip through, but react properly to the enviroment. Trust me the Wii can not do that and handle large enviroments.

It would appear the Wii can't even handle HL2.

CassiusGaius

I know what the havoc engine is. I also happen to know MAx Payne got released in 2001. Once again, I urge you to watch the youtube movie of Elebits I posted. About HL2. If they could make HL2 run on Xbox, I'm sure they can also make it run on the Wii.

you like oblivion has a total lack of physics ...every think you say from now on is now discredited and it is also retro active.

wow. sig worthy i think

[QUOTE="Arsuz"][QUOTE="CassiusGaius"]

Bah, people missed my post.

The WII cannot do Havoc Physics and large open enviroments combined, no matter how much of a downgrade. Saints Row and Oblivion could never be done on the Wii. And that doesn't even factor in simple AI. Hell, even the 360/PS3 struggle to handle all the things combined in Oblivion.

The End.

CassiusGaius

And you know this because? What's so special about physics in Oblivion? Played the game for hours, and not one did I stop to think to myself: "Wow those are some great physics!"

And don't get me started about AI. I don't know how many times I just stood there on top of some stairs shooting one arrow at a time at an enemy while he just ran in circles unable to reach me.

Because its HAVOC physics. Does noone know what that is? For now, it is the best and has been the best for years. Games like Max Payne and Half Life 2 used it. Oblivion and Saints Row used it. Though the use of the physics in oblivion were meh. The game still has to calculate so many objects rolling down hills and enemies when the drop on objects.. So they don't clip through, but react properly to the enviroment. Trust me the Wii can not do that and handle large enviroments.

It would appear the Wii can't even handle HL2.

Finally, thank you good sire :)

Those defending Gears....

Those devs at EA who are making BF: Bad Company for the 360/PS3 even said that Gears could probably have been done on the Xbox with a massive downgrade in visuals. Everything else would essentially be intact.

I'm inclined to agree with them. Static but beautiful environments did not fool me.

FrozenLiquid

but then it wouldn't be the real gears...It'd be some ugly game with good gameplay... does no one else get this?! It's not a valid argument because it isn't the true game.

"Psh Crysis could be on the ps1 with an amazingly huge devastating graphical downgrade"

[QUOTE="SergeantSnitch"][QUOTE="Michael85"]

Anyone who bashes the Wii keeps screaming "bu bu it's not just teh grafix, it's teh physics and teh AI too!"

Can any of you name a current-gen game that has either that's not possible on a last-gen console? 'Cause I can't. Gears of War? Easily could've been done on xbox with dumbed-down graphics. Heavenly Sword? Ninja Gaiden's enemies are smarter than those. And physics? I've yet to see anything that comes close to what Half-Life achieved on the xbox.

And I know some of you are going to say "bu bu teh crysis if it comes to consoles!!!" Yeah, and at that point, you'll have one example. ONE. And even then, I wouldn't say the A.I., from what I've seen, is necessarily smarter than that found in the original Half-Life, a game that released a DECADE ago.

Where's this revolutionary jump in physics and AI? I haven't seen it, and I know you haven't either.

Michael85

Stop making crap up and give me ONE example of something Gears did that couldn't be done on an xbox with a downgrade. Go on, I'm waiting.

EDIT: Clarification: graphical downgrade.

You're talking about current technology...saying WITH a DOWNGRADE completely discredits your first argument. you are losing more and more credibility by the sentence.

[QUOTE="TrueReligion_"][QUOTE="Michael85"]

[QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]This thread is filled with ignorance and blindness. Michael85

I can tell you what it's not filled with: games that prove me wrong.

You already negated yourself by saying Gears of War could be executed on the Xbox 1.

With a graphical downgrade, it can.

that's pointless... in that case any game could be on any console with massive downgrades. start making some-what decent remarks.

[QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]This thread is filled with ignorance and blindness. Michael85

I can tell you what it's not filled with: games that prove me wrong.

Hahahaha, I'd REALLY love to see oblivion be on the Wii.

[QUOTE="_AsasN_"][QUOTE="Michael85"]

Anyone who bashes the Wii keeps screaming "bu bu it's not just teh grafix, it's teh physics and teh AI too!"

Can any of you name a current-gen game that has either that's not possible on a last-gen console? 'Cause I can't. Gears of War? Easily could've been done on xbox with dumbed-down graphics. Heavenly Sword? Ninja Gaiden's enemies are smarter than those. And physics? I've yet to see anything that comes close to what Half-Life achieved on the xbox.

And I know some of you are going to say "bu bu teh crysis if it comes to consoles!!!" Yeah, and at that point, you'll have one example. ONE. And even then, I wouldn't say the A.I., from what I've seen, is necessarily smarter than that found in the original Half-Life, a game that released a DECADE ago.

Where's this revolutionary jump in physics and AI? I haven't seen it, and I know you haven't either.

Michael85

Resistance's A.I. isn't any better than Halo's, and in many cases, it's worse. Halo...a game that came out like 5 years ago. And the physics? I can't say I saw anything significant. The real question is, if those physics were there, as you claim, just how important were they? I mean, sure it's impressive that the spike grenade that shot out a thousand spikes used some good physics, but if it shot them out and they didn't bounce off walls, would that affect the game in any way whatsoever?

The only answer to that question is a big fat "no".

And don't believe the developer who said they couldn't pull off the Devil Arm in DMC4. That's 100% bullcrap. Hell, it's basically the same thing as the Godhand from that crappy PS2 game with prettier graphics. There is NOTHING DMC4 does that couldn't be done on a weaker console with a graphical downgrade.

half life's gameplay was BASED on PHYSICS...other games are based on other things. I'd like to see Fight Night play on the wii.

Stop comparing a heavily physics based game to games that have another focus.

[QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]This thread is filled with ignorance and blindness. Michael85

I can tell you what it's not filled with: games that prove me wrong.

you proved yourself wrong enough already buddy. :lol: