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#1  Edited By KC_Hokie
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@MakeMeaSammitch said:

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@deeliman said:

@KC_Hokie: I don't think you understand the concept of a long term trend.

Ok...so twenty years doesn't count. 250 years doesn't count nor does 15,000.

What is your special definition of 'long term trend'?

Another chart showing IPCC reports all off (black line UAH is satellite data and actual temperature)

KC, do you realize everybody makes fun of your graph reading ability because of posts like this?

Where you post data that clearly goes against what you're saying.

You can't read graphs then because the black line (reality) is lower than every IPCC prediction.

Here is a more up to date version:

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@deeliman said:

@KC_Hokie: I don't think you understand the concept of a long term trend.

Ok...so twenty years doesn't count. 250 years doesn't count nor does 15,000.

What is your special definition of 'long term trend'?

Another chart showing IPCC reports all off (black line UAH is satellite data and actual temperature)

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@deeliman said:
@KC_Hokie said:

@BeardMaster said:

@KC_Hokie said:

@deeliman said:

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The reason people doubt global warming, is because it hurts businesses and businesses have a major self interest in tricking people to think its fake.

Some people are easily duped, thats your answer.

The scientific community doesnt have any real financial or self interest in global warming being real. The business community has a huge stake in proving it false. Its basically the same as when companies were trying to prove smoking isnt dangerous.

I don't get paid by anyone to point out over the last 500,000 years the earth has been warmer several times. There is nothing unusual about current temperatures in the history of the earth.

I would argue you're easily duped if you think climate did it's own thing for millions of years, but something magical happened in the last 100-200 years which shifts mother nature and climate to human activity.

So you think the climate warms and cools because it feels like doing so? Their's always something forcing it to change, a driving factor behind it. And there's pretty substantial evidence that humans are that factor, whether you choose to ignore that evidence or not.

So you think climate shifted, sometime drastically, in the past WITHOUT humans but blame the last 100-200 years on humans?

That's not science; that some bizarre belief or faith.

The notion is that humans are adversely accelerating it. Which evidence seems to suggest they are.

There is no evidence of that. Look at the IPCC reports above. All predictions (high, medium, low) from every report were too HIGH.

There has been NO not increase in temperature since 1998!

Saying humans are adversely accelerating climate isn't based on facts.

Again not looking at long term trends.


And when you look at long term trends you see there is nothing unusual about warming of the last 250 years or 15,000 years.

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@deeliman said:

@KC_Hokie: What's the source for that chart? Because the info's incorrect.

Nope try again. Source is IPCC reports. Every single one was way off.

[IPCC AR5 draft figure 1-4 with animated central Global Warming predictions from FAR (1990), SAR (1996), TAR (2001), and AR5 (2007).]

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@BeardMaster said:

@KC_Hokie said:

@deeliman said:

@KC_Hokie said:

@BeardMaster said:

The reason people doubt global warming, is because it hurts businesses and businesses have a major self interest in tricking people to think its fake.

Some people are easily duped, thats your answer.

The scientific community doesnt have any real financial or self interest in global warming being real. The business community has a huge stake in proving it false. Its basically the same as when companies were trying to prove smoking isnt dangerous.

I don't get paid by anyone to point out over the last 500,000 years the earth has been warmer several times. There is nothing unusual about current temperatures in the history of the earth.

I would argue you're easily duped if you think climate did it's own thing for millions of years, but something magical happened in the last 100-200 years which shifts mother nature and climate to human activity.

So you think the climate warms and cools because it feels like doing so? Their's always something forcing it to change, a driving factor behind it. And there's pretty substantial evidence that humans are that factor, whether you choose to ignore that evidence or not.

So you think climate shifted, sometime drastically, in the past WITHOUT humans but blame the last 100-200 years on humans?

That's not science; that some bizarre belief or faith.

The notion is that humans are adversely accelerating it. Which evidence seems to suggest they are.

There is no evidence of that. Look at the IPCC reports above. All predictions (high, medium, low) from every report were too HIGH.

There has been NO not increase in temperature since 1998!

Saying humans are adversely accelerating climate isn't based on facts.

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@BeardMaster said:

@KC_Hokie said:

@BeardMaster said:

The reason people doubt global warming, is because it hurts businesses and businesses have a major self interest in tricking people to think its fake.

Some people are easily duped, thats your answer.

The scientific community doesnt have any real financial or self interest in global warming being real. The business community has a huge stake in proving it false. Its basically the same as when companies were trying to prove smoking isnt dangerous.

I don't get paid by anyone to point out over the last 500,000 years the earth has been warmer several times. There is nothing unusual about current temperatures in the history of the earth.

I would argue you're easily duped if you think climate did it's own thing for millions of years, but something magical happened in the last 100-200 years which shifts mother nature and climate to human activity.

I think the evidence for carbon emissions effecting the climate is fundamentally sound. And i have no reason to think scientists are tricking us. Historically scientists havent tried to trick people, but businesses with major self interests have.

From a logical standpoint i have to go with science, because science is almost always correct vs business self interest.

And carbon emissions are exactly magical, and yes they have increased exponentially over the past 100-200 years. And how many people were driving cars 200 year ago? burning fossil fuels on a daily basis? none

Even the IPCC recently admitted they've been overestimating the impact of CO2.

It turns out it's a weak greenhouse gas, a very small percentage of the atmosphere, the human % is even lower, and CO2 doesn't effect climate like they once thought.

Climate sensitivity is far lower than predicted over the last two decades.

IPCC AR5 draft figure 1-4 with animated central Global Warming predictions from FAR (1990), SAR (1996), TAR (2001), and AR5 (2007).
IPCC AR5 draft figure 1-4 with animated central Global Warming predictions from FAR (1990), SAR (1996), TAR (2001), and AR5 (2007).

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@deeliman said:

@KC_Hokie said:

@BeardMaster said:

The reason people doubt global warming, is because it hurts businesses and businesses have a major self interest in tricking people to think its fake.

Some people are easily duped, thats your answer.

The scientific community doesnt have any real financial or self interest in global warming being real. The business community has a huge stake in proving it false. Its basically the same as when companies were trying to prove smoking isnt dangerous.

I don't get paid by anyone to point out over the last 500,000 years the earth has been warmer several times. There is nothing unusual about current temperatures in the history of the earth.

I would argue you're easily duped if you think climate did it's own thing for millions of years, but something magical happened in the last 100-200 years which shifts mother nature and climate to human activity.

So you think the climate warms and cools because it feels like doing so? Their's always something forcing it to change, a driving factor behind it. And there's pretty substantial evidence that humans are that factor, whether you choose to ignore that evidence or not.

So you think climate shifted, sometime drastically, in the past WITHOUT humans but blame the last 100-200 years on humans?

That's not science; that some bizarre belief or faith.

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@BeardMaster said:

The reason people doubt global warming, is because it hurts businesses and businesses have a major self interest in tricking people to think its fake.

Some people are easily duped, thats your answer.

The scientific community doesnt have any real financial or self interest in global warming being real. The business community has a huge stake in proving it false. Its basically the same as when companies were trying to prove smoking isnt dangerous.

I don't get paid by anyone to point out over the last 500,000 years the earth has been warmer several times. There is nothing unusual about current temperatures in the history of the earth.

I would argue you're easily duped if you think climate did it's own thing for millions of years, but something magical happened in the last 100-200 years which shifts mother nature and climate to human activity.

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If you read carefully, you'll see the guy (John Cook) who compiled that 97% figure used the standard "have humans created some global warming".

Even most skeptics, including myself, say humans cause some effect. Every living thing has some impact on the earth; even an ant.

But that isn't the debate. The debate is whether humans are driving or controlling the climate not if humans had some effect.

97% Study Falsifies Scientists' papers