I just noticed the poll is at a dead even tie with 13 votes for all 3 options. Ha.

I would say that's good evidnece to support the theory that OT is split pretty evenly on this bill.

Wasdie

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This isn't true. People can always go to the emergency room and get treated. The ER cannot turn them down, even if they can't pay. And if they can't or don't pay then that cost gets passed on to everyone who does pay.

worlock77

One could argue that it falls under the "promote the general welfare" bit in the Constitution.

[QUOTE="LOXO7"]people who don't have health insurance don't get heath care unless they pay for it.worlock77

This isn't true. People can always go to the emergency room and get treated. The ER cannot turn them down, even if they can't pay. And if they can't or don't pay then that cost gets passed on to everyone who does pay.

[QUOTE="LOXO7"]To my knowledge the Constitution doesn't say jack about health care, therefore it is unconstitutional. The federal government has no business in anything other than national defense. ShadowMoses900

In July of 1798, Congress passed a health care act and President John Adams signed - ?An Act for the Relief of Sick and Disabled Seamen.?The law authorized the creation of a government operated marine hospital service and mandated that privately employed sailors be required to purchase health care insurance.

There you go, from the founding fathers themselves. Congress even passed it. Also is car insurance unconstitutional as well? After all you are forced to buy that, otherwise you can't drive legally. And people who don't have health insurance pass their costs onto us and we have to pay for it, which is why our insurance goes up constantly.

It would be in everyones best interest if everyone had health coverage. Not only would it help people live longer (you know the moral thing) but it would also reduce your health care costs as well. It's a win-win.

It kinda makes those 9 years of legal issues, having to hire Immigration lawyers, having to pay fee after fee and jump through hoop after hoop to go from owning a work visa to having a green card in the states seem like a massive waste of time.

I am happy I desided to move back home seeing the general direction in the states is heading.

slimjimbadboy

...Also as demonstrated below Kray has no issue with jumping to conclusions (and in this thread you can see obviously no qualms about making things up about others either) so why should it impede him here? He simply has no desire to participate in a polite discussion and would rather call others names.Ace6301

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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] Actually, everyone who has debated with you has beaten you silly. Which is why most of the conservatives here want you to go away. Your argument style is to ignore and dismiss anything that doesn't already agree with your viewpoint by calling it "communist", assert your worldview is "reality", make a lot of references to "owning", "decimating", etc. people, complain that they're all leftists and move on. Which is, essentially, what you're doing now. I've explained why nobody is bothering to respond to your "arguments" anymore. It isn't because they are afraid of you or are embarrassed when you "expose" them. It's because they view it as a waste of time, similarly to how arguing with birthers or people who believe the world is flat is a waste of time. Your worldview and mindset is so off-kilter from the mainstream that there's no point in bothering to debate you. It's like volunteering to bang your head against a wall over and over again. Most people only need to do that once or twice before they decide it's way more enjoyable to watch others do it.Ace6301