Ok, let's do this another way: Crackdown(360)- first sold 2million, 2nd barely sold 1 million DECLINE! Amped(360): First sold 1.5 million, the 2nd sold 800,000, the 2nd sold, around 500,000 FATALITY DECLINE! Bomberman Live(360) first sold 1 million est. the 2nd around 20,000 DECLINE! Ninety-Nine-NightsN3(360) First sold estimated 1 million, the 2nd is below 400,000 DECLINE! Dance Central(360) First sold 3 million 2nd sold 1.5 million DECLINE! Pinball FX(360) First sold 400,000 2nd sold less than 100,000 DECLINE! Kinect Sports(360)- First sold an est. 5million, the 2nd sold barely 2 million DECLINE! And these are all pretty much big million hitters. And I have one more than you do. Do the Math. Do I win yet? Or do they have to be talked about more to count next? All must sell over 2 million? You're out of excuses, I win.Gran Turismo 5, the PS3s best selling exclusive, is only sitting at 7.3 million. Compare that to GT4, which sold 11 million and you can see theres a big DECLINE.
Little Big Planet - First one sold just under 5 million, second one sold only 2.5 million. DECLINE
Resistance - First one sold 4 million, second just over 2 million, third only 1 million. DECLINE
Uncharted - First one sold 4 million, second sold 5.5 million, then the third back down to 4 million. DECLINE
Motorstorm - First one just under 4 million, second only 1 million. DECLINE
Killzone 2 - Just under 3 million, third only just over 2 million. DECLINE
inFamous - Just over 2 million, second only 1 million. DECLINE
Now before all the cows cry with 'sales don't matter wahhh' etc etc, this just proves that gamers vote with their wallets. These IPs arent exciting enough to keep gamers interested in buying the sequels.
Exclusives seem to be the only thing the PS3 has these days, and even now the gamers don't want them :lol:
RR360DD
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So now explain why you came out of nowhere, lol'd at my point even though it's exactly what you did? I mean people they are just games.[QUOTE="Last-Resort"][QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]
First -lol.
Secondly - Idgi.
WreckEm711
Says the guy with hundreds and hundreds of games in his collection and made an account just to troll :lol:
No what you're doing is trolling. Why would you even make this comment?At least someone here makes sense.A link to the past is the best Zelda game. But it belongs... In the past.
Pray_to_me
There were other systems than the GEN and SNES, and on those systems most people just played the same 10 games on each best seller list over and over without exploring by looking at the terrible sales gaps on each system. Also, if you actually played Jrpgs those days, which most people didn't until after FFVII came out, it would also not impress you. Also, playing the other systems would make it look less impressive to. Also, sorry to say, but some of use were around before the game came out and saw it on its release, there were no HDTV'S back then, all we had where things like CRTS. CGI was not impressive. Even if comparing it to only video game CGI. It was crap depending on your experience in games and movies before hand. I also never said games that had beter looking CGI I said better looking games in general. But I see you span that for some reason.[QUOTE="Last-Resort"][QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]
Did you use an HDTV when playing it? That's what would cause those problems. And yeah, most people did play SNES and Genesis before PS1, wince those were the systems before PS1...so what's your point? There was no Dreamcast or PS2 yet. Compared to Saturn and N64 games of the time, FFVII's CGI was quite impressive, so again, I'm failing to see your point with the consoles comment.
And please, point out these many games in 1997 that had better looking CGI.
Emerald_Warrior
Yeah, I know there were no HDTVs back then, I was asking you if you played it on an HDTV because I never had any flashing or floating pixels. There was something wrong with your copy of the game or your T.V.
And are you really trying to say that games like Phantasy Star III, Breath of Fire, Final Fantasy VI (JRPGs before FFVII) were visually more impressive than FFVII? Your blind.
You keep desperately spinning my words. I said not impressive in general and you say I am comparing them to Jrpgs? Because you know it's not impressive. I also was talking about PS1 games. The other point I made you're addressing is the fact that if you didn't play a limited number of games/other consoles in the gen before instead of playing mainstream only 10 games on the SNES and GEN like a lot of people did, it would not seem to be impressive. Heck, if you had the PSx when it came out and played games other than mainstream games/systems it wouldn't be impressive, there is nothing impressive about FFVII, nothing at all. The only argument you can make is the poor quality CGI which looks worse than some FMV games. It's also not a reason to say the game looks good when the majority of the game looks like ass compared to any other game around its time and you have not even denied this. So the only thing we have is CGI, and whether it was amazing to you then does not change the fact it never was impressive even at the time. There was nothing impressive about its poor crappy CGI. Objective and Subjectively.Echochrome- First sold aroound 200,000, the other sold around 320,000 INCREASE! God of War- 2nd sold 3.96 million, the 3rd sold over 4.2 million INCREASE! Pixel Junk Shooter- First sold 15,000 the 2nd sold over 30,000 INCREASE! Hyper Diemention Neptunia- First sold 250,000, 2nd sold around 280,000 INCREASE! Ratchet and Clank- Quest for Booty sold around 500,000 Crack in time sold over 1 million INCREASE! Yakuza- 3rd sold around 1 Million, the 4th has sold over 1 Million and a half, INCREASE! SingStar- Guitar sold around 50,000 Dance sold around 800,000 INCREASE! So that displaces your 6 games and adds one. So now that the thread is over...Gran Turismo 5, the PS3s best selling exclusive, is only sitting at 7.3 million. Compare that to GT4, which sold 11 million and you can see theres a big DECLINE.
Little Big Planet - First one sold just under 5 million, second one sold only 2.5 million. DECLINE
Resistance - First one sold 4 million, second just over 2 million, third only 1 million. DECLINE
Uncharted - First one sold 4 million, second sold 5.5 million, then the third back down to 4 million. DECLINE
Motorstorm - First one just under 4 million, second only 1 million. DECLINE
Killzone 2 - Just under 3 million, third only just over 2 million. DECLINE
inFamous - Just over 2 million, second only 1 million. DECLINE
Now before all the cows cry with 'sales don't matter wahhh' etc etc, this just proves that gamers vote with their wallets. These IPs arent exciting enough to keep gamers interested in buying the sequels.
Exclusives seem to be the only thing the PS3 has these days, and even now the gamers don't want them :lol:
RR360DD
[QUOTE="Last-Resort"]Explain why you lashed at me then if it wasn't for the fact you feel it's so necessary to defend the fact you like these old games. It's because of your nostalgia. Saying "That's Not true" or nothing is one thing, snapping back is another.Haziqonfire
First -lol.
Secondly - Idgi.
So now explain why you came out of nowhere, lol'd at my point even though it's exactly what you did? I mean people they are just games.[QUOTE="arkephonic"]
[QUOTE="imelitenow"]
But it is also included with EVERY Wii sold, ofcourse it will outsell them.
RR360DD
Wii Fit and Wii Fit Plus weren't bundled with any Wii consoles, and they sold 43 million copies. That's as much as Halo 3.. multiplied by 4.
Wii Fit > Halo 3?
Completely different demographic.
Come back to me when an exclusive shooter has outsold the Halos.
So it was PS3 vs. Xbox debate Then it was a highest selling exclusive debate Then it was the highest selling exclusive of all tie debate which later included the Wii It then changed to a hardcore gamer only debate even though the OP included LBP. It then turned into an Exclusive FPS Debate, pretty much destroying all games mentioned in the OP. In the end, Halo is all you have left.No they were not. The only way that would impress anybody is if they restricted their gaming to only mainstream SNES and GEN games and just jumped onto mainstream PS games with no other or many non-mainstream games/consoles in between. It's not amazing at all, that's all they used for the ads anyway, FMVs looked better, the CGI was floaty, unattached, pixellated, and static, and could mess with your TV screen in some cases causing random flashes in some cases. Also, the whole rest of the game was a large failure in the graphics department. What do you think the CGI was there for? Fun? It was there to cover up the fact the rest of the game looks like a$s even though the CGI also looked like ass, and many games around the same time and before looked much better. It's called mainstream gaming, the hype was there so you made yourself believe it was amazing bcause you were riding the hype train.[QUOTE="Last-Resort"][QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]
Pffft...what?! Are you kidding me? The CGI cutscenes were absolutely jaw-droppingly astonishing to behold at the time of release. I'm not a JRPG fan, and I played through the game just to see the next great CGI scene.
Emerald_Warrior
Did you use an HDTV when playing it? That's what would cause those problems. And yeah, most people did play SNES and Genesis before PS1, wince those were the systems before PS1...so what's your point? There was no Dreamcast or PS2 yet. Compared to Saturn and N64 games of the time, FFVII's CGI was quite impressive, so again, I'm failing to see your point with the consoles comment.
And please, point out these many games in 1997 that had better looking CGI.
There were other systems than the GEN and SNES, and on those systems most people just played the same 10 games on each best seller list over and over without exploring by looking at the terrible sales gaps on each system. Also, if you actually played Jrpgs those days, which most people didn't until after FFVII came out, it would also not impress you. Also, playing the other systems would make it look less impressive to. Also, sorry to say, but some of use were around before the game came out and saw it on its release, there were no HDTV'S back then, all we had where things like CRTS. CGI was not impressive. Even if comparing it to only video game CGI. It was crap depending on your experience in games and movies before hand. I also never said games that had beter looking CGI I said better looking games in general. But I see you span that for some reason.No we need to make "Progress" Cinematic route is"Returning" Cinematic gaming died before like 3D did, we haven't progressed at all because both returned. Also stop with the nostalgia, we do not need to go anymore backwards than we already are.[QUOTE="Last-Resort"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]
Great if true. We need to return to the gaming roots, not to "progress" into "cinematic" crap.
nameless12345
Those "backwards" games are better than your "boring modern crap" is ;)
What broing modern crap? We are already going backwards, we have FMV games (pretty much) back, lack of complexity, Indie and Digital Devs making 16/8/32-bit games, you're being nostalgic, and this means you do not want what's best for gaming..And yet each one of those has 5 versions of the same game with minor differences, like 9 mario parties and 7 mario karts which have not improved at ALL. If the Variety is spammed than the variety isn't really there.I keep hearing Mario is milked. "Nintendo just uses same characters over and over..." stuff like that. But could we stop and think about what a "Mario game" is? Think about how many different types of genres we get that use the Mario character...
2D Platformer
3D platformer
RPG
Racing
Party games
So sure the Mario character is milked but whose to say that's a bad thing? There is a huge variety of "Mario" games that are all very different from eachother. Hell, even in the same genres, Mario games can be hugely different. The Mario and Luigi Series and the Paper Mario series both share some common elements but are pretty different in alot of ways. Not only that, but Mario games innovate in their respective genres. (See Super Mario Galaxy.)
So, yeah, Mario, as a character, is milked. However, the games he's in are various and many. And how is that a bad thing?
turtlethetaffer
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