oh i know i wasn't talking about frames here. The reason why is because u do not want games to eat up all your available ram either. In fact newer games are now starting to have a feature called "memory scale" It gives you the option to how much ram you want to allocate to this game. Now that is very cool and should of been thought of long time ago. You could adjust it so it can stream on the fly or adjust it so it can load a big chunk with hardly or no streaming at all.
not too mention dual layer dvd's are bad. omg i would never eve want to install games from dual layers dvd. its not only slow but has the worst latency of all. Ever look at the memory game process when you are running the game. not the overall mem usage but the game process only. Games takes up at least 890mb of ram or more some going up to 1.3gb. That is a lot of game data in your system memory. all that gets loaded in seconds. And once it loads you hardly notice any loading at all (crysis) and other native pc games. This is why RTS games are best for the pc because these games takes up to 1gb of ram solely on that game as you can see is this is why hardly any streaming is involved most of the time the hard drive LED's are in idle and not constantly on lol. and that is another debate busted. if the drive is idle not doing a thing that just means the memory is large enough for the cpu to process.
but pc's dont really need streaming. you can just copy that hd content to the drive sure it takes up some quite a space but no lag issues when running off the drive solely. I am talking a full desktop drive not a laptop drive lol. a full desktop drive really spins fast that if u hold it on ur hand while its spinning you can feel the forces or having its mind of its own. Feels like a magnet feild effect lol. and to top it off it even has a 32mb cache buffer to make sure everything runs smoothly.
the only reason there is no blu ray pc games because you can compress it and uncompress while it is installing. The data on the disc is just for delivery to the gamer. But the data is solely read off the hard drive when installed. and also blu ray is way too expensive to make just would not benefit for the game publisher and pc gamers. and let me tell you the compression on these games have improved. i have a 4gb dvd game when installed its suddenly 8gb lol.
i am sorry but i find that hard to believe that blu ray is faster than a hard drive. Its not so much about the speed. it has to do with the access time which hard drives are way better at known as latency. optical drives have bad latency compared to hard drives. Most of the time is your cpu mem and gpu is doing all the work while your optical drive is constantly loading maybe like a pulse every second. Optical drives cant really handle of speeds like hard drives cans which that includes blu ray. This is why consoles needs buffers to keep the data from running out. Kind of like how cd players had that 50second anti skip features. Same thing with consoles except it might be like 2 minute of buffering or so I know this because i did a test of the data transfer. It starts off slow and gradually picks up. Still the same method speed reads of how any optical drives which is why i am not interested in blu ray drive at all.
not really lol. Blu ray is slow i find it funny how dvd is faster than blu ray reads. Basically it is buffering ahead of time before the data runs out of ram so its not loading it is streaming. this will give u the speedy effect lol. You don't know how much data is loading per section. is it a small piece or this amount depending on the level size of the game. or is it constant streaming. because of the limited amount of video and system ram that it has to share. PS3 memory is partitioned into 2 which makes it very tough for developers.
uhh i have like 200gb worth of games right now lol. second blu ray is slower than a hard drive and third raid0 2 drives together will pretty much make that a moot point lol. speaking of data being loaded. Crysis loads masses amount of data in ram in seconds lol.
well thats for consoles only. Pc's don't really need this. There is no limits on the pc when it comes to size. as far as games installs on the consoles. This probably wouldn't make much difference because the drives in these consoles are using laptop drives. Fairly good performance but not as fast as a desktop drive but still good. Second you will still need the disc in the drive to verify otherwise you have piracy on consoles LOL.
"" retospectre Posted Jan 18, 2009 11:28 pm GMT pc dont have blu ray games"" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- well not to be rude or correct certain things but i believe pc's don't even need optical drives for games period lol. Steam is becoming the frontier for pc gaming. I am slowly converting my boxed retail games into steam because it is soo easy and no more installing. I just bought red alert 3 for 29.99 like 2 hours ago off steam and its a 8gb download and it is done. Steam has multiple mirrors that i get speeds up to 1.5mb/sec download. I got this game 1h 30min or so while on the gamespot forums. That is the beauty of pc's because u do not have to wait you can freely multi task while you are downloading in the background. now that i finally became clear i really find no reason to own a blu ray drive unless of course i want to rent blu ray movies and play it on my hd 22" full 1080p monitor. But i wouldn't buy it just because of this. The power of the internet is all i need lol. Even netflix streams movies to you directly. Which now you be able to do that with consoles too.
oh my pc is off the shelf self built. In fact i built this rig one year ago and its still flying. Able to play all these games no sweat. The only game that really pushes my system is crysis that is one game it is having a bit of trouble but still manageable at high settings. Its when you get to the snow level which i might add looks very very impressive. Even the weapon gets covered in snow realtime. and can brush the snow off. I think crysis they went way too far for what the masses can run lol. Which is why it did not sell well and at that time of release hardware was a bit expensive but not anymore. but the cryengine for this game can definitely be used for future games and harness more life out of that engine. Crysis is not one of them. But definitely can be used as a benchmarking game lol.
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