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#1 Mikey6Button
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[QUOTE="Mikey6Button"][QUOTE="OneWingedAngeI"][QUOTE="Mikey6Button"]

This is pretty funny.

A Muslim gamer mails Sony that their game contains a song that can be found offensive to Muslims, since it put's the Qur'an to music.

Sony / MM oblige, seeing they want to maximize profits, and the track isn't really value added content.

Some gamers flip out because either (a) they can't wait a week (b) they are upset that Sony is doing something good towards Muslims

The hypocrisy is teh lulz.

OneWingedAngeI

caving in to people who kill over people merely writing verses from their texts may be good for extremist muslims but it is detrimental to free thinking society.

What? Are you a xenophobe or something? How can you make such a statement about 1/8th of the world's population. You think all muslims are killers? that they aren't free thinkers?

i think you mis-comprehended. i said extremist muslims. this does not imply that all muslims are extremist. i would wager the vast majority are not. this does not change the fact that the actions of those few sway the reactions of the masses.

Then what do extemists have anything to do with this. Where is the correlation to extemists? This issue was brought up by a Muslim gamer who found it offensive, along with other gamers on a Arabic hardcore gaming forum.

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#2 Mikey6Button
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[QUOTE="Mikey6Button"]

This is pretty funny.

A Muslim gamer mails Sony that their game contains a song that can be found offensive to Muslims, since it put's the Qur'an to music.

Sony / MM oblige, seeing they want to maximize profits, and the track isn't really value added content.

Some gamers flip out because either (a) they can't wait a week (b) they are upset that Sony is doing something good towards Muslims

The hypocrisy is teh lulz.

OneWingedAngeI

caving in to people who kill over people merely writing verses from their texts may be good for extremist muslims but it is detrimental to free thinking society.

What? Are you a xenophobe or something? How can you make such a statement about 1/8th of the world's population. You think all muslims are killers? that they aren't free thinkers?

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#3 Mikey6Button
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This is pretty funny.

A Muslim gamer mails Sony that their game contains a song that can be found offensive to Muslims, since it put's the Qur'an to music.

Sony / MM oblige, seeing they want to maximize profits, and the track isn't really value added content.

Some gamers flip out because either (a) they can't wait a week (b) they are upset that Sony is doing something good towards Muslims

The hypocrisy is teh lulz.

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#4 Mikey6Button
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i wouldnt call video games toys unless you consider movies to be toys as well. im not going to get into the art form debate, because i dont care one way or the other, but this is corporate politics. i too am a bit miffed at the fact that islam is treated with the aforementioned "kid gloves", while christianity and other religions can be made a mockery of. frankly i say make a mockery of all of them, of what ever you want, its your prerogative. what i do NOT believe in is complacency in the face of threats from "religious" fanatics. there is already far too much complacency with the encroachment of our rights in this country, as well as the unequal treatment of people based on race or religion.

i will say, if i believed for one second this was an ESRB rating problem, i wouldnt take issue with this. they need their rating in order to hit their core audience. we all know this isnt the case. its a matter of not pissing off members of one community, but the flip side is you encroach on the rights of everyone else. i know this is not extremely important when you look at it relatively, but these are forums and i think anyone who wants to come and complain about/discuss it should.

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Sony and MM decided to remove it because they didn't intend to have anything like this in this game. It's their right.

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#6 Mikey6Button
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The developers of LBP obviously liked the music and felt it complemented the experience so yes, the artistic integrity of the game has been compromised. That compromise may be small but it's still troubling.

The Christianity example stands, whether or not you agree. The Church of England was offended about their Cathedral being used in Resistance without permission and Sony pretty much blew them off. Whether or not you understand this fact, Islam is treated with kid gloves in a way no other religion enjoys; due largely to the militant extremists who threaten violence when they feel their religion is being slandered. And yes, to be clear, these extremists are a very tiny minority of the faith.

Also, the whole humiliation aspect is your slant. What I specifically stated was that Christianity has been exploited in all manner of media, games included. If you'd like an example, look no further than the Devil May Cry franchise, which exploits Dante's Divine Comedy, one of the great ancillary religious texts of all time. Christianity has frequently been used for all sorts of reasons in fiction, and in some cases Christian organizations, such as the Catholic Church, are actually portrayed as antagonists.

Another example is Scientology, which is insulted all the time by the mainstream media because their following is relatively small and seen as fringe. I do take issue with any religion being given special treatment while other religions are free game to be exploited, scrutinized and even slandered. The issue here isn't about Islam but rather the way Islam is given a free pass that no other faith receives.

Lastly, to answer your insipid final question, I'm not "hurt" about anything. I'm angry that this game was delayed for fear of a backlash and I'm angry that I as a consumer have been slighted. I still plan to continue supporting Sony in the future but I've made the decision to boycott this game and the rest of their lineup for the remainder of the year.

Grammaton-Cleric

Please. Yet MM was so quick to remove it with a patch? I don't think so. The loss of artistic integrity is nothing but far-fetched.

You do bring up a good point about the Cathedral in Resistance. However, I think the difference is very clear between both situations. The developers clearly implemented the Cathedral knowing full well what it was. However, this sound track in LBP was not added intentionally at all, as stated by MM themselves. That said, I do agree that a group of Christians being offended over resistance is valid, however the scales are much different. Unless of course, you are suggesting that the Cathedral in Resistence is considering offensive to all Christians, or all Catholics? Is it? At what level? I don't know myself, but since your bring it up, I wonder if you do.

The DMC example is good. Once again, this is an example of how developers intended for this to happen. As opposed to doing something unintentional.

Intentional additions of material versus intentional additions of material is key. As per MM's reponse, it's clear, that there was no reason or intention to add it, and as such they don't feel that this unintentional addition to the game warrents losing sales over. Whereas, in the case of DMC and Resistence, these were obvious design choices that were made knowing full well the background from which they were taken. Is it still wrong? Sure, I'm not a fan of religion being targeted. However, the situations are still very different.

I'm sorry to imply that you have emotional feelings attached to it. Maybe it's because I don't see how you can rationally be upset over a 1 week delay, when Sony and MM are simply looking after all their fans, not just their western ones.

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#7 Mikey6Button
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This is why I hate religion, it only has cons Lisandro_v22

As if all that is void of religion is all peaches and cream.

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#8 Mikey6Button
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Welcome to globalisation. Sony has customers outside of just the United States! :shock:
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#9 Mikey6Button
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[QUOTE="Mikey6Button"][QUOTE="CarnageHeart"]

You've never heard of Theo Van Gogh?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3974179.stm

CarnageHeart

Yes, now that you mention him. However, definitely not someone who's I would remember off the top of my head. However that doesn't refute my point.

I don't know which point you are referring to, but the murder does support my point that intimidation is the primary reason artists and their production companies try so hard to avoid offending the Muslim community. As Grammaton noted, other religions, such as Christianity and Hinduism don't get the same treatment (art/imagery/quotes and what have you from both religions are regularly used in movies, art and videogames).

You named one incident and assume that this decision is based purely on fear of relation, which I am suggesting is ludicrus, as this situation is not in the least bit usual. Once again, reality would suggest this is a buisness move: why piss off a large chunk of your audience for no reason? If this game was called: Bomb Iraq... I'm sure the developers could have cared one way or another. However, this is little big planet... a game that has no need for such trivial content.

As I stated before, since when is offensive material towards Christians found in video games such as this, or video games at all?

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#10 Mikey6Button
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You've never heard of Theo Van Gogh?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3974179.stm

CarnageHeart

Yes, now that you mention him. However, definitely not someone who's I would remember off the top of my head. However that doesn't refute my point.