[QUOTE="MorisUkunRasik"][QUOTE="AfterShafter"][QUOTE="MorisUkunRasik"][QUOTE="AfterShafter"][QUOTE="MorisUkunRasik"]

I could of swore this little convo was about faulty hardware

AfterShafter

yours does but what about the 5% of 360 users whos 360 dumped out on them. and I'm fairly positive that the fail rate is much higher since other surveys have come up with 15-22 have gone through at least one 360

5% failure rate... So about on par with the best selling, most popular console with the most AA/AAA games on a console ever, eh? Oh yeah, that's going to be a piece of garbage.

I like how you ignored how the numbers are closer to 20% than 5%

I'm sure you're aware the numbers are based on time of warranty which means that consoles outside of the warranty period are not counted and since the 360 notoriously broke just outside of the warranty period this would bring the failure much closer to 20%. And I'd like to see one report where the 360 has a 0% fail rate.

[QUOTE="MorisUkunRasik"][QUOTE="pundog"][QUOTE="MorisUkunRasik"][QUOTE="pundog"]

It'll be interesting to see the sales numbers at the end of the year, MS should have a pricedrop on the 360 to at least make the core cost as much as the Wii (and they could lower it even more in Japan,I'm pretty sure they did that last gen) and couple that with the huge titles coming out this year (especially Halo 3 and themany JRPGs)and I think MS with some breaks and good marketing could come out on top this gen. Only thing I'm worried they will do is be too conservative with any price cuts/deals to make sure they turn a profit.

pundog

you forget that the wii could also drop its price and it also has killer games in the pipeline. If you ask me the ps3 and 360 are screwed and are merely fighting for 2nd place

the nintendo console will outsell ms console in japan almost no matter what. droping the core price to 200 won't phase the wii much especially since they have the option to drop the wii to 150 or 100. And nintendo games have much more appeal than ms games. MS has halo for mass appeal but not much else.

I'm not saying its a lock for the 360 to win, just that its consievable that either the Wii or 360 could come out of 07 with a significant lead.

even without a price cut the 360 has absolutely no chance to beat the wii in japan. The wii is on the fast track to have 20 million units sold by the end of next year easily and I highly doubt the 360 could do the same. If it was well stocked there is no doubt in my mind that it would already be past the 360.

[QUOTE="MorisUkunRasik"][QUOTE="whoisryanmack"][QUOTE="MorisUkunRasik"]you forget that the wii could also drop its price and it also has killer games in the pipeline. If you ask me the ps3 and 360 are screwed and are merely fighting for 2nd placewhoisryanmack

To alot of people though, Wii just isn't capable of making "killer" games. They might be great games in some respects, but the hardware limits it and thereis going to be a group that will look elsewhere. We all like different things about gaming, and it so happens that graphics are high on quite a few lists. More power and a well integrated online system also opens up possibilities that you just won't get on Wii. Not to mention the franchises that will not be available there.

the wii's aim is the casual who really couldn't careless about graphics. It will get the hardcore crowd aswell. Paying 250 to play zelda smash bros donkey knog metroid and all the other classics is a bargain even if its not in 1080p.

It might be a bargain, but I won't pay it. I doubt I'm alone. Not everyone is so sentimental that they will continue to accept regurgitated Nintendo crap. Even if Wii sells more systems, that does not imply that they will ultimately be more successful. As you've stated, their fanbase is extremely casual, and by definition those people should be fickle about their gaming. If they stop buying games and lose interest in a few years, developers will move on no matter how many Wii's there are.

The real point is that regardless of Wii's success, there is a huge segment of the market left that Wii just cannot compete for. As long as people want a Gears or Halo or DMC or MGS, there is a market for ps3 and 360 to be successful.

those casuals could move or they might stay and even if they do there are plenty more casuals to take their place. There are plenty of hardcore gamers that will get a wii especiall since it is such a bargain. The halo DMC and MGS franchises are all great but not all on one platform DK zelda mario metroid on the other hand are.

[QUOTE="MorisUkunRasik"][QUOTE="AfterShafter"][QUOTE="nyoroism"]

Sure do. Especially when consumers see that the Wii is cheaper, games are cheaper, and they have the instantly-recognizable Mario games.

I've had the X360 since November and I haven't bought a 60 dollar game yet.

AfterShafter

I strongly disagree with that

mario is much more recognizable than any other character in video game history. His popularity is just as high now if not higher than it was when the N64 came out.

But if (when) the Wii takes the number one spot in the console race why would publishers bother making games for the 360/ps3, when they can make them for much less on the wii and for a bigger user base?? :/Nex_Ownage

exactly "we can make a game that doesnt have to visually amazing and with an install base as big as the wiis its bound to sell especially since we can focus on gameplay and storyline more than lighting effects and whatnot."

[QUOTE="MorisUkunRasik"][QUOTE="AfterShafter"][QUOTE="MorisUkunRasik"]

I could of swore this little convo was about faulty hardware

AfterShafter

yours does but what about the 5% of 360 users whos 360 dumped out on them. and I'm fairly positive that the fail rate is much higher since other surveys have come up with 15-22 have gone through at least one 360

5% failure rate... So about on par with the best selling, most popular console with the most AA/AAA games on a console ever, eh? Oh yeah, that's going to be a piece of garbage.

I like how you ignored how the numbers are closer to 20% than 5%

[QUOTE="coolmonkeykid"]yup its a rip off. PC games are cheaper and drop faster in price.mismajor99

That's what I love about PC Gaming, the prices are great. You can enjoy 2 games for the price of one 360/PS3 game.

the games are cheap upgrading on the other hand

[QUOTE="MorisUkunRasik"]you forget that the wii could also drop its price and it also has killer games in the pipeline. If you ask me the ps3 and 360 are screwed and are merely fighting for 2nd placewhoisryanmack

To alot of people though, Wii just isn't capable of making "killer" games. They might be great games in some respects, but the hardware limits it and thereis going to be a group that will look elsewhere. We all like different things about gaming, and it so happens that graphics are high on quite a few lists. More power and a well integrated online system also opens up possibilities that you just won't get on Wii. Not to mention the franchises that will not be available there.

the wii's aim is the casual who really couldn't careless about graphics. It will get the hardcore crowd aswell. Paying 250 to play zelda smash bros donkey knog metroid and all the other classics is a bargain even if its not in 1080p.

[QUOTE="nyoroism"]

Sure do. Especially when consumers see that the Wii is cheaper, games are cheaper, and they have the instantly-recognizable Mario games.

I've had the X360 since November and I haven't bought a 60 dollar game yet.

AfterShafter

I strongly disagree with that

[QUOTE="MorisUkunRasik"]

I could of swore this little convo was about faulty hardware

AfterShafter

yours does but what about the 5% of 360 users whos 360 dumped out on them. and I'm fairly positive that the fail rate is much higher since other surveys have come up with 15-22 have gone through at least one 360