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#1 Ninja-Kitteh
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Honestly though, I'm sure all you nihilists here would be a lot more satisfied and a lot less depressed if you stopped believing that nothing has any real meaning. Mainly because you're all hypocrites anyway, if life is meaningless then why haven't you already killed yourself? You don't because you're scared of dying so you must have something to live for, just like you'd be scared if war broke out on your home soil and your life was under threat you'd be scared. I just think people need to focus on stuff that actually matters.

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This is a very hostile response. My post was just food for though. I'm not a nihilist and i'm not a hypocrite because i haven't killed myself. Jeez. Gabu, by 'western life' i was merely refering to life as i know it and have experienced.
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Kitteh"][QUOTE="sonicare"]life is what you make it.KateTheGreat94

This is far too cliched and unrealistic an expression.

You're blaming society, you're one to talk about cliches.

Saying 'i blame society' is cliched yes. I'm not just saying 'i blame society' though, but rather taking a look at society itself.
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#3 Ninja-Kitteh
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The beginning of shows are never as good. If anyone's watched the first episode of Treme you'll likely think 'man this is nowhere near as good as the Wire', but it hasn't even started yet. We enjoy TV because of the characters. We build a relationship with them, and we are entertained by their relationships with each other. People think Band of Brothers is better because we remember the key characters and their personalities and their interactions with each other. The Pacific hasn't been going long enough for us to build up that kind of a familiarity. It's like meeting a new person in comparison to your best friend; you gotta get to know them.
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#4 Ninja-Kitteh
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"] This is a very naive, isolated view on the way the real world works How old are you?

At what point did i say you i or anyone else coasts through life to achieve those things? Hard work is required. What effect does the fact that you had to work hard to live that life have on the point? None. Like i said earlier, even the lowest rung on the ladder is the same life. 'I get up, somehow get myself $10 for drugs then go find somewhere safe to sleep and go to bed.' It's robotic. We do it without even thinking. Every day. Some of us for all our lives. EDIT: your post about 'opportunities' similarly misses the point Gabu; i presented to you a life which to me seems pointless. As i said earlier, i'm not trying to be a genius and offer a solution to this, only remarking on how western life does appear to be meaningless. Also, gamespot wont let me post more than 20 times so i apologize but i can no longer continue this discussion which is a shame.
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#5 Ninja-Kitteh
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Define "pointless" and present a contrasting life that is not pointless.GabuEx
If my life continued as it is now, i will have worked extremely hard, got a good education and a high-paying job, bought a nice house and a nice car, married and had children who will have also gone to a good school and got good grades and be set to go down the exact same path i did. I will be happy because i'll have a warm and loving home with a family i cherish, but my life will have been essentially without purpose other than sustaining life itself through makin' babies. To me that seems pointless.
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Kitteh"][QUOTE="sonicare"]life is what you make it.sonicare
This is far too cliched and unrealistic an expression.

Not at all. You're the prime mover in your life. No one else has as much control over how your life goes than you. Certainly external forces contribute, but nothing will affect your life more than your own actions and your perspective. You can sit back and blame everything else and feel sorry for yourself, but in the end, the person with the most power to change that is you. I've worked with people with horrible health problems - paraplegics, blind people, and other serious disabilities. But what has impressed me the most about the majority of these people, is their incredibly positive attitudes and take on life. You'd think they would just give up and blame the world, but they don't. They find activities and occupations that give them fulfillment. I think all the tools are out there for each person to find fulfillment or purpose. It's just not easy for everyone - no one's going to lead you down a straight path to that goal.

But do you not think that the vast majority of people will not find fulfillment or purpose because they go about the fundamental DNA routine of working and spending, having kids then dying? That's where society comes in. That's the way our society works, simple as that. We can talk about the virtues of the individual and personal choice but that doesn't mean much in a society which works in a certain way which cannot be changed.
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#7 Ninja-Kitteh
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Nothing is objectively meaningful. What is meaningful for you personally is that which you value and which brings you happiness, which is unique to any given individual. If you have not found that yet, that is not the fault of western society; someone could have been just as equally unable to find that which they would have deemed meaningful at any point in history.

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It's not really about happiness. People can live completely pointless lives and die perfectly happy with their run.
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#8 Ninja-Kitteh
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Not really... My life COULD have gone south in a hurry (given the influences of this 'horrible Western society') But I CHOSE to change and more out of life Existentialism FTWrawsavon
Again though that's a personal example, which is just too simplistic an approach. If you live your whole life working hard to get good grades, a good job, a nice house and then to fill that house with possessions, raise a family in the same world and have them go on to do exactly the same thing how was life 'what you made it'? It wasn't what you made it at all, but the one you just lived because that's the way life and the world you were born into functioned. For example, if a worker ant could talk would you tell it 'life is what you make it'?
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The problem is that you're not really taking a step back. You're looking at the world through a negative perspective. Of course, you're going to think it sucks. You're making erroneous assumptions about what western society values and what people view as success.sonicare
It is very negative, but not deliberately so. I'm a very optimistic person. You cant help but be negative when you describe what's in front of you. I dont think it's erroneous to say taht western society values getting a job, earning money and buying cool stuff. That's the foundation of our world. It literally wouldn't even work if we weren't all doing that every day.
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#10 Ninja-Kitteh
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]

Um, not really. If society functions in a manner which creates and incubates that meaninglessness i think it's very much a sociological issue, not an individual one.Ninja-Kitteh
Um Yeah really. Life is what you make of it. It's your life personally is meaningless, that problem is on you and only you.

Pirate FTW you are on fire today

Only i respectfully disagree. I dont think he even understood the point of my post as it's not about ME but what i have observed to be the workings of the western world.