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#1 Ninja-Kitteh
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Kitteh"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]People being sexually irresponsible due to condoms = more aids. ;)LJS9502_basic
Common sense should surely correct that statement. Are you seriously saying that condoms SPREAD aids and STDs? Seriously? Are we going to throw all common sense and logic out the window in defense of the pope?

You do know that condoms are NOT 100% and should not be construed to be?

I am well aware of that fact but to inverse that logic and say that people using condoms will actually SPREAD aids and make things worse is absurd.
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#2 Ninja-Kitteh
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People being sexually irresponsible due to condoms = more aids. ;)LJS9502_basic
Common sense should surely correct that statement. Are you seriously saying that condoms SPREAD aids and STDs? Seriously? Are we going to throw all common sense and logic out the window in defense of the pope?
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#3 Ninja-Kitteh
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Kitteh"]There is absolutely no logic whatsoever in telling people NOT to use condoms as a means of preventing sexually transmitted viruses. LJS9502_basic

Actually he was telling them not to rely on condoms...not quite the same thing now is it?

It is exactly the same thing. How is telling people that condoms make the problem worse telling them 'not to rely on condoms', exactly? Is that not a twisted interpretation of what he really said to exuse the obvious moral wrong doing? Any advice whatsoever AGAINST the use of condoms in a region plagued by Aids is unbelievably irresponsible.
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#4 Ninja-Kitteh
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SteveTabernacle"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Okay let me get this straight. You post what the pope said and then argue that he didn't say that and it's irrelevant.:?

I posted what he said verbatim, and you gave me an interpretation of what he may have meant, but did not say, which is not relevant, no. What he said is relevant. Not what you think he may have meant to say, but did not say. What is relevant is the message these people in this region got, and that message was "condoms aggravate the epidemic". Medical advice equal to saying "Cuddling plague rights protects you from the plague" or "Smoking makes you immune to lung cancer". An irresponsible and ignorant thing for a man of so much influence to say, no matter how you spin it.

No. I read what you posted and it was not saying what you interpreted it to say.

There is no matter of interpretation here. People only bring up interpretation in an effort to justify the pope's actions. He chose to stick to an archaic rule rather than save the lives of many via instructing his followers not to use condoms. Simple as that. People not using condoms = more aids. More aids in the third world = more death. And he told them to do that.
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[QUOTE="SteveTabernacle"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]I don't think he was expecting people to hang on every syllable and attempt to dissect his statement looking for flaws..LJS9502_basic

He was speaking on the AIDS epidemic, and seeing as how these epidemic takes place ina region where people who still take him very seriously and believe he has a direct connection to God and is infallible when in contact with God reside and said it was a "a tragedy that cannot be overcome by money alone, that cannot be overcome by the distribution of condoms, which even aggravates the problem", it doesn't need to be dissected to see the meaning or the flaw. He said condoms aggravate the AIDS epidemic. Millions of his faithful in that region will read that and take it seriously, as they are ignorant of the facts, and his is a supreme authority figure in many of their lives. What he said is irresponsible and glaringly ignorant, and demands both clarification and an apology. Use of a condom reduces the risk of HIV transmission by 90%. A man using a condom would have to have sex twenty times a week, (once every eight hours, twenty four seven) to have the same risk of contracting HIV as a man who has unprotected sex twice a week. To claim to be God's representative on earth and give such advice to a largely uneducated part of the world in the middle of an aids epidemic is nothing short of blatant ignorance, it is like telling people that smoking makes you immune to lung cancer. The Pope has too many responsibilities to speak so openly on something he is so ignorant of. He should be more careful than that. Actual research would be a good first step.

Seems he considered it a flaw because condoms lead to more at risk sexual behavior which is how I read the evidence you presented. So I cannot say I agree with your conclusion but that the dude you were arguing with and his conclusion holds some merit.

There is absolutely no logic whatsoever in telling people NOT to use condoms as a means of preventing sexually transmitted viruses.
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#6 Ninja-Kitteh
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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

You keep saying words without defining them: "meaningless", "trivial", et cetera. Without definitions, they are just text on a screen, devoid of semantic meaning. You've said that you feel life is meaningless. But I have no idea what you mean by that. All you've given me are examples, which do not have any definitive power. So I asked you to provide a counterexample, a life that is meaningful, against which we can contrast the meaningless life you described, thereby creating a workable definition of the word "meaningless". But you cannot do so. So, what exactly are we supposed to talk about?

Gabu you are trying to win an argument which i am not participating in, nor ever did or ever intended to. We clearly just differ in our approach to some types of discussion. You have seen a person who feels life may be meaningless and seek to prove that person wrong. That cannot be done however because that other person feels that way and cannot be proven wrong. The other person was merely sharing their feelings on an interesting topic and inviting others to share their own. You say 'what exactly are we supposed to talk about?' as if the lack of a winnable debate means there's nothing worth saying. Like i said earlier, sometimes people literally do just ponder life, the world and the universe without purpose. It's interesting. Also, you claim you have no idea what i mean by meaningless or trivial however you know EXACTLY what the words trivial and meaningless refer to but choose to demand specific definitions to further the line or argument that you're pursuing. Your post claims you are reading my thoughts on this and cannot comprehend what i am possibly expressing, but i know that just isn't true. You merely wish for me to more specifically codify an abstract notion in concrete, logical terms so that they may be refuted by other concrete, logical terms and the argument is won.
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#7 Ninja-Kitteh
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Also i apologise for being hypocritical as my last posts were quite argumentative and i've said that i'm not looking for an argument. I think one has been imposed however, whether it was intended or not.
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#8 Ninja-Kitteh
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Kitteh"][QUOTE="rawsavon"]We are all presumptuous... It is only natural though. Humans are cognitively lazy (which is beneficial on an evolutionary level)rawsavon
Doesn't really change the fact that it was a presumptuos comment. Something being common doesn't make it ok.

Presumptions are neither 'okay' or 'not okay'...they just are a part of human life

That's just flat-out garbage. 'I'm presuming you have a criminal record because of your skin tone....' 'Woah, that aint right!', 'oh, well it's perfectly acceptable that i said that, it's just a part of human life.' Nonsense. Presumptions can obviously be bad.
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#9 Ninja-Kitteh
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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

But that's just it, you haven't shared any perspective.

No i did Gabu. It's right there in the first post. I said that i feel life is meaningless based on the trivial nature of the way so many of us live our lives. That was my perspective. I shared it. It's right there. Your efforts to prove it wrong are where we've ran into difficulty. The rest of your post is just a repeat of the same thing; apparently it is just impossible to discuss life being meaningless without first defining what meaningful is. I've said how i dont feel that's the case. There's no point in us repeating ourselves. 'How are you so certain that Lesbian Vampire Killers was a bad movie if you cant even explain what a good movie is?' Well, because i saw it, i didn't enjoy it, i was not entertained and my overall feelings at the end of it were 'man, that sucked.' If it's physically impossible to consider that life is meaningless without first explaining what meaningful means, how am i doing this: 'I think life is meaningless.' 'I have no idea exactly what a meaningful life would constitute.' Why hasn't my head just exploded, by your reasoning?
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We are all presumptuous... It is only natural though. Humans are cognitively lazy (which is beneficial on an evolutionary level)rawsavon
Doesn't really change the fact that it was a presumptuos comment. Something being common doesn't make it ok.