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#1 Phazevariance
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@Tessellation said:

@Chutebox: I agree,the game is rated T,kids younger than that should not be playing the game..folks should make parents responsible and not just the companies.

So then stores selling the games should have to card people to verify age before they sell it similar to how they sell alcohol or cigarettes. Back decades ago, anyone could buy those items, until pressure caused rules to be put into place. We're just seeing that pressure now about these kinds of things, where companies prey on underage kids who do have access to their parents accounts or parents that don't know the material they are getting into. It's not just 'parents' fault, and its not just 'retailers' fault, but a bit of both and restrictions need to be put into place at both ends where possible.

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I'd rather not, this thread feels like an EA advertisement / boost thread. Since EA hasn't purchased the Boost Thread Package, my fav games list will be locked.

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@Nonstop-Madness said:

I wouldn't exactly call 30-40fps @ 1440p embarrassing, in particular when comparing it to the base consoles.

Well, considering the PS4 pro was supposed to be the 4k upgrade of PS4, it's embarrassing.

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Wallstreet is calculating the game values incorrect. Who plays the same game 2.5 hours per day 365 days a year?

AAA games are fewer and far between, and when they come out, they should be polished and not riddled with glitches or half assed work (IE: Mass Effect Andromeda). Adding in micro transactions should be done in a manor that makes gamers WANT to buy things, not block things behind a paywall and FORCE gamers to pay to win. In BF2 when a gamer decides not to pay the game becomes an un-fun grind with minimal progression. This takes the fun out of the game and I could understand that in a freemium game but not a full blown $80 game.

The way I see it, MT aren't so bad if they are implemented in a consumer friendly way. They should offer extra content to the game, but not be the game itself. This is where EA messed up, they got greedy, they are now getting their hand slapped because of it, and the stock holders are not happy. That's where crap like this wallstreet guy come up and complain about costs being too low with out of context calculations because their shares have dropped in price.

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@ArchoNils2 said:
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I mean, just try to get that final star 'long journey's end' where you play a gigantic level with no checkpoints and tell me that doesn't make you feel like you've accomplished something with your learned skills.

That's pretty much just bad design. The parts of the big level aren't that hard, it's just hard to do them all in a row with instakills all around them. This is nothing different from old games that forced you to get through the entire game without losing or it's back to Level 1 again.

Except that the game gradually increases in difficulty with those last stack of moons, culminating up to that one last moon that is purposefully a test of your skills. I don't think that's bad design at all. (Now that jump rope moon, that is bad design IMO).

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Andromeda as dead, the devs do not support that game anymore. No new patches, updates, DLC, nothing.

SWBF2 had backlash but is still selling, and peeps will continue to buy into it if EA 'says' they are changing things (even though that level of micro transaction is a travesty) so ME:A had the worse year.

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It really depends on the kind of money you want to spend. If you have the money, get a PC, because it can be better across the board. If money is tight, then just get an X1X and save the rest for a future PC upgrade.

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@quadknight said:
@Phazevariance said:
@quadknight said:
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Rekt.

Another shitty argument destroyed.

I like how he mentions no PC gamer would build a PC with such low end parts like people don't build cheap PCs all the time.

Lol, if you think that 'rekt' my comment, you totally didn't read the other points. All of the below are required to be equal:

+ HDMI Cable ($10)

+ Keyboard and Mouse ($40)

+ Controller ($60)

= $693 + $10 + $40 + $60

= $803 !!

- No Dolby Atmos

- No DTS:X

- No 4K Bluray Capabilities

- RAM/CPU gobbled up by full OS background services

Does that PC that was spec'd even include the case fans and CPU fan? Who knows, probably not. Feels like you guys have never built a PC before. You don't just go to the store and buy this kind of thing without getting all the required components to turn it on. All of that included in the X1X for a cheaper $499.99 price.

Last time I checked... $500 is less than $800.

And if you had been paying attention to the original argument and not jumping into this thread to defend your Xbone purchase you would have noticed I was talking solely about building a PC to surpass Xbone's performance. None of the things you mentioned have anything to do with performance of games. The RAM issue you're talking about is garbage. A system with 8GB of RAM is good enough to run any game. Even Star Citizen doesn't require more than 8GB of RAM to run and that game is more demanding than game on consoles.

Adding things like Keyboard and mouse (controller, really lol?) to the cost while neglecting the cost of a TV for a console is hypocritical. You also need a TV to play your Xbone, do you not? What about XBL fees to play online?

The guy I was arguing with decided to add heat and size constraints to give the Xbone an advantage while none of those things are required to build a PC more powerful than an XboneX. The XboneX is good value for money for what it offers but the idea one cannot build a relatively cheap PC that outperforms the XboneX is bullshit. People build cheap PCs all the time. You don't have to spend big bucks on a decent gaming PC. On top of that a PC has many functions that go way beyond that of a XboneX and it's easily upgradable while the XboneX isn't.

I didn't buy an xbox so there's no justification needed. Just the facts. You can't argue about "building a PC solely to surpass the xbox" if the PC you priced doesn't turn on or can't be used!

RAM argument? My argument was that system resources are gobbled up by the OS on a PC so you actually have less resources for performance of the game when you compare 1:1 hardware specs. So, I'm not sure what part of that confused you.

I neglected the cost of a monitor for PC and the cost of a TV for console so it's even. No display costs were added, but kb+m, cables, fans, etc, are essential to running a PC and thus the costs must be included.

I don't care about heat and size constraints but tell me how you will install Windows without a keyboard or mouse? The argument of an equivalent PC is false if it's not accurate. And even if a PC can do exel and surf the net, with that PC you still won't get current HD audio formats so it's still inferior from a gaming perspective. I mean, i love my PC and would take it over Xbox any day, but apples to apples, there is no way to buy a PC for $500 that will function and be equivalent to the performance of the X1X.

As for upgrades, in a few years you buy a new more powerful xbox for again $500ish and still can play your older games just fine, but on the PC side you can't upgrade the CPU much without a newer motherboard (and often that means new RAM too), and a better video card will costs half of what the new next gen xbox will cost on it's own. No matter how you look at it, the PC argument is crap and based on your response, I think you know it. A high end PC is the best way, but it will cost you. An equivalent PC will work, but it too will cost you more than the console.

Which is why I didn't list a $500 build and have said the X1X is good value for money. Please read my posts carefully before you hit the reply button.

You claim you didn't add a TV to the cost, that's fine but then you added a controller, why? Since when was a controller a requirement to play games on PC?

You don't always need to change your motherboard to upgrade your PC, where are you getting this from? A lot of times a PC upgrade just means a swap of the GPU. When you take in XBL fees and the money you spend on games on consoles, you save a lot of money on a PC. The initial cost of a PC is more but that cost pays for itself with cheap games and no need to pay for online. Like I keep saying, the X1X is good value for money but the idea you need a $1000 PC to compete with it is rubbish and that has been my whole argument in this thread. It's what started this multipage argument. I've never argued that the X1X isn't good value for what it offers.

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@quadknight said:
@Phazevariance said:
@quadknight said:
@Zero_epyon said:
@Phazevariance said:

No PC gamer would buy such a low end PC with such cheap quality parts. That is also missing a 4K bluray drive, and is not capable of Dolby Atmos or DTS:X audio. It is also missing the cost for keyboard, mouse, controller, cables, and a monitor. Even with all of those missing, it still costs MORE than an xbox one x. No matter how you spin it, X1X is a great deal for the power and features that you get at that price point.

Do people ever include the TV when factoring in console costs?

Rekt.

Another shitty argument destroyed.

I like how he mentions no PC gamer would build a PC with such low end parts like people don't build cheap PCs all the time.

Lol, if you think that 'rekt' my comment, you totally didn't read the other points. All of the below are required to be equal:

+ HDMI Cable ($10)

+ Keyboard and Mouse ($40)

+ Controller ($60)

= $693 + $10 + $40 + $60

= $803 !!

- No Dolby Atmos

- No DTS:X

- No 4K Bluray Capabilities

- RAM/CPU gobbled up by full OS background services

Does that PC that was spec'd even include the case fans and CPU fan? Who knows, probably not. Feels like you guys have never built a PC before. You don't just go to the store and buy this kind of thing without getting all the required components to turn it on. All of that included in the X1X for a cheaper $499.99 price.

Last time I checked... $500 is less than $800.

And if you had been paying attention to the original argument and not jumping into this thread to defend your Xbone purchase you would have noticed I was talking solely about building a PC to surpass Xbone's performance. None of the things you mentioned have anything to do with performance of games. The RAM issue you're talking about is garbage. A system with 8GB of RAM is good enough to run any game. Even Star Citizen doesn't require more than 8GB of RAM to run and that game is more demanding than game on consoles.

Adding things like Keyboard and mouse (controller, really lol?) to the cost while neglecting the cost of a TV for a console is hypocritical. You also need a TV to play your Xbone, do you not? What about XBL fees to play online?

The guy I was arguing with decided to add heat and size constraints to give the Xbone an advantage while none of those things are required to build a PC more powerful than an XboneX. The XboneX is good value for money for what it offers but the idea one cannot build a relatively cheap PC that outperforms the XboneX is bullshit. People build cheap PCs all the time. You don't have to spend big bucks on a decent gaming PC. On top of that a PC has many functions that go way beyond that of a XboneX and it's easily upgradable while the XboneX isn't.

I didn't buy an xbox so there's no justification needed. Just the facts. You can't argue about "building a PC solely to surpass the xbox" if the PC you priced doesn't turn on or can't be used!

RAM argument? My argument was that system resources are gobbled up by the OS on a PC so you actually have less resources for performance of the game when you compare 1:1 hardware specs. So, I'm not sure what part of that confused you.

I neglected the cost of a monitor for PC and the cost of a TV for console so it's even. No display costs were added, but kb+m, cables, fans, etc, are essential to running a PC and thus the costs must be included.

I don't care about heat and size constraints but tell me how you will install Windows without a keyboard or mouse? The argument of an equivalent PC is false if it's not accurate. And even if a PC can do exel and surf the net, with that PC you still won't get current HD audio formats so it's still inferior from a gaming perspective. I mean, i love my PC and would take it over Xbox any day, but apples to apples, there is no way to buy a PC for $500 that will function and be equivalent to the performance of the X1X.

As for upgrades, in a few years you buy a new more powerful xbox for again $500ish and still can play your older games just fine, but on the PC side you can't upgrade the CPU much without a newer motherboard (and often that means new RAM too), and a better video card will costs half of what the new next gen xbox will cost on it's own. No matter how you look at it, the PC argument is crap and based on your response, I think you know it. A high end PC is the best way, but it will cost you. An equivalent PC will work, but it too will cost you more than the console.

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@drlostrib said:
@Phazevariance said:
@drlostrib said:
@Zero_epyon said:
@Phazevariance said:

No PC gamer would buy such a low end PC with such cheap quality parts. That is also missing a 4K bluray drive, and is not capable of Dolby Atmos or DTS:X audio. It is also missing the cost for keyboard, mouse, controller, cables, and a monitor. Even with all of those missing, it still costs MORE than an xbox one x. No matter how you spin it, X1X is a great deal for the power and features that you get at that price point.

Do people ever include the TV when factoring in console costs?

or a keyboard and mouse?

You need a keyboard and mouse to operate the PC, don't be daft.

I meant why isn't the cost of a keyboard and mouse included in the price of a console

Oh, because it's not required to operate the console, they work just with a controller. The whole "i can buy a pc at this price that is equivalent to xbox" argument doesn't work if you aren't pricing out the same requirements, which is all the pieces needed to have an equally powerful working PC.