Since you fabricate my positions in accordance with your preconceived notions of how people should think, which is really disingenuous, I do not think that it is possible to have a genuine conversation with you.

Brosephus_Rex

If I have misrepresented your poisition then correct me. Here are the facts as I understand them

- You consider killing of anyone immoral

So this is your belief and let me state an additional fact

- God of the Old testament killed and judged many people, as did the God of the New testament

And let me now state the conclusion that I think should follow from these facts.

- You as a Christian believe God is immoral.

Please correct me, I might have misunderstood something.

I don't believe in your fictional sky daddy, so no, completly wrong. But i know your style, so I'm not going to give you any more undeserving attention

wis3boi

Since when is an entity that is Omni present relegated exactly to the sky? I don't get this. It would make more sense to call him a human father because he resides in those who believe in him. But perhaps thats no generous a thing to ask on your part. The problem is with your saying that the ancient people were somehow less moral indicates taht you will be less more by future standards. So I simply ask the question by which objective method do we know morality? It seems the popular notion among atheists is this naturalism and evolution theory of it, though that only begs more moral problems. Quite simply your morality is inadequate when compared to an eternal consistent all knowing morality.

I take it that you are not able to contextualize a statement. We are talking about people being ordered to kill people who pose them no bodily threat, which is murder - the type of killing explicitly forbidden by the Bible. Moreover, the stuff relating to the takeover of Palestine was quite troubling.

Brosephus_Rex

I take it you are one of those Christians who doesn't believe in the bible. Thats fine, but the fact is that the God of Christ, the same God the expounded mercy, love and compassion in both the old and New testament, has commaded the death of people and there were reasons for this, to ensure that israel would live up to God's high standard, but with Christ come there is a new covenant in which the old practical laws are no longer in effect. That doesn't mean a change in morality, rather a change in how it is dealt with. Perhaps you like the Originist would say that all people are saved right? If you want to be a secularist and criticize God, then by all means be as such, but don't claim to be a Christian and that it disturbs you.

That doesn't make it right. I don't care if it was standard to have slaves 200 years ago, for example, it's not the right thing to do. Morals are based on what betters the lives of everyone you share this planet with. Killing others in the name of mythical stories and owning people as property isn't moral. End of story. But i'm sure you'll find some silly justification for ancient books genoicdes and murders and rapes too, I've heard it a million times and it never works.

wis3boi

So in otherwords "Im right because I say so"

Morals are devisive and not neccessarily the result of "bettering" the lives of people. So basically what your saying its your morality verses the morality of an eternal uncreated, all knowing entity. Good luck.

Doesn't change the fact that the order is to kill people, which, by both human and religious standards (smells contradictory), is VERY bad.

Brosephus_Rex

No its not immoral to kill people. It was not immoral for the Byzantines to kill the Latins as they invaded constantiniple. It was not immoral for God to kill his own creation throughout the conquest of Palestine. I take it you have not read the bible.

Congrats on having the morals of a stone age barbarian

wis3boi

And what makes your morals objectively better? Give it enough time in a thousand years the world may be radically different and what you consider immoral now will be moral.

I am a Christian, and that still sounds about just as bad.

Brosephus_Rex

Then you make God out to be evil. Jesus worshipped the same God of the Old testament, remember that.

I didn't say the religion was. The idea of consolidating one morality system is used like that, though. I also never said invented anywhere. Don't know why you're quoting that. Not to mention, I never said it was part of the founding of the religion. Better argument, please?lx_theo

The morals of Christianity were not formed to systematically kill people.

You say that as if it justifies it.

toast_burner

I'm saying that if we are going to talk intelligently on these topics, we shouldn't make misleading remarks.

So when the bible says homosexuals should be killed. What is the correct context behind it?

toast_burner

It says those who commit homosexual acts should be killed. Be specific please and don't misrepresent.