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#1 Plzhelpmelearn
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[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"]

If the gov't wanted to they could easily kill everyone on planet earth in a few minutes. I think they (or at least some of them) are much more interested in controlling people, which makes me interested in giving them as little control over every aspect of my life as possible. The less control and power they have, the less they can abuse, in my eyes anyway.

MrGeezer

But again, hardly anyone does stuff for "no reason". There's "no reason" to misuse this technology NOW, so there's no reason for anyone to misuse it. However, it's equally wrong to dismiss people's concerns as irrational. If there ever IS a reason to misuse it, it'll be VERY convenient if this kind of technology has become a feature of every single car on the road.

Right now, it's possible to remotely activate peoples' cell phones and use them to secretly transmit peoples' conversations. How often is that actually DONE, though? I'd wager not often. But that scares me a hell of a lot more than Onstar, and I actually have a cell phone. Cell phones scare me a lot more. Because I can certainly imagine more of a REASON to secretly use people's phones as spying devices, than I can imagine a REASON for the government to use Onstar in order to shut down your car.

Concern about this level of control is absolutely warranted, but I think that Onstar is small potatoes. No one does stuff for no reason, so WHY would Onstar be used to shut down your car? What does anyone actually have to gain from doing that?

I did not know that about cell phones. Basically we are all screwed then, so bring on the onstar baby.
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[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]Hey I'm against a 'police state' as much as the next guy but I think you're reaching for something to be afraid of here. What do you think they would have to gain by randomly stopping law abiding citizens? If you aren't driving a stolen vehicle or are on the run there would be no reason for the car to be stopped.

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I don't like the whole "innocent people have nothing to hide" argument because once the gov't has the authority to spy on people, control their private property, and whatever means they use to protect innocent people they will never give it up. You obviously have a lot of faith that our gov't is a benevolent caring organization that never breaks the rules, but you better hope it stays that way forever (if human history is any indication it wont) cuz if it does take a turn into the worse then we won't be able to stop it at that point. Suppose the govt decides for the good of the people that we should all be assigned careers for example.

I don't think you understand how Onstar actually works. They don't monitor anything. If you crash or push the button it calls them. There aren't people sitting in a dark room watching your movements. There aren't enough employees available in the world to be able to watch how people are driving.

Obviously they don't watch every vehicle. The point is they track and more importantly can take control of any particular (not every) vehicle. I know you trust whoever is on the other side of that button. But if you were driving your vehicle one night down a countryside and someone that does not like you is on the other side of that button then God help you sir.

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#3 Plzhelpmelearn
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[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]Again, don't have the service in your vehicle then. Problem solved.

Pirate700

I don't think I'll ever by a car that is onstar equipped, especially in this cell phone age. I'm just afraid that is what is next on the gov'ts list of mandatory things to help "protect us"

Hey I'm against a 'police state' as much as the next guy but I think you're reaching for something to be afraid of here. What do you think they would have to gain by randomly stopping law abiding citizens? If you aren't driving a stolen vehicle or are on the run there would be no reason for the car to be stopped.

I don't like the whole "innocent people have nothing to hide" argument because once the gov't has the authority to spy on people, control their private property, and whatever means they use to protect innocent people they will never give it up. You obviously have a lot of faith that our gov't is a benevolent caring organization that never breaks the rules, but you better hope it stays that way forever (if human history is any indication it wont) cuz if it does take a turn into the worse then we won't be able to stop it at that point. Suppose the govt decides for the good of the people that we should all be assigned careers for example.
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[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"][QUOTE="jalexbrown"] No more police chases? I kind of like the idea.

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I think safety is one of oppressions biggest justifications in recent history. I am not an anarchist or nothing, but when other people have direct control over my own private property i think they have gone too far.

But it's not really a matter of who does or doesn't have the power; it's a matter of rather or not you trust them with it. The truth of the matter is that we don't have a concrete idea what the government is capable of doing right now, at this very second. I believe that they have capabilities unthinkable to the average person right now, but the reason we don't know about it is because they're not being malicious about it. At least that's my justification for having a little bit of trust in 'em.

If the gov't wanted to they could easily kill everyone on planet earth in a few minutes. I think they (or at least some of them) are much more interested in controlling people, which makes me interested in giving them as little control over every aspect of my life as possible. The less control and power they have, the less they can abuse, in my eyes anyway.

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[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"][QUOTE="jalexbrown"] No more police chases? I kind of like the idea.

Pirate700

I think safety is one of oppressions biggest justifications in recent history. I am not an anarchist or nothing, but when other people have direct control over my own private property i think they have gone too far.

Again, don't have the service in your vehicle then. Problem solved.

I don't think I'll ever by a car that is onstar equipped, especially in this cell phone age. I'm just afraid that is what is next on the gov'ts list of mandatory things to help "protect us"
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[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"][QUOTE="Tropicalshower"] I'm sure they wouldn't put a random guy in charge of it :P.jalexbrown

I'm not sure if onstar is a private company or what, but suppose the gov't took over onstar...now the govt can stop your vehicle whenever they please, and they are the ones who get to control the legal system too...

No more police chases? I kind of like the idea.

I think safety is one of oppressions biggest justifications in recent history. I am not an anarchist or nothing, but when other people have direct control over my own private property i think they have gone too far.
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#7 Plzhelpmelearn
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[QUOTE="MagnumPI"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]Because it's the law. :|

Pirate700

What would stop them from breaking the law? A stern "You better not do that."

Please tell me this is a joke. Is this how you go through life thinking about everything? What's to stop so and so from ruining your day?

so it doesn't bother you that someone you don't know can take over your vehicle if they see fit? Even if right now they would be breaking the law if they did it there is no gurantee it will always be that way and I just think it is strange to allow anyone to have that ability regardless of their initial intentions. Do you leave your door open at night because it will be illegal for someone to walk through it?
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#8 Plzhelpmelearn
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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]Because it's the law. :|

Tropicalshower

And that's it?

So basically, you're telling me that they CAN do it.

I'm sure they wouldn't put a random guy in charge of it :P.

I'm not sure if onstar is a private company or what, but suppose the gov't took over onstar...now the govt can stop your vehicle whenever they please, and they are the ones who get to control the legal system too...
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#9 Plzhelpmelearn
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]No they couldn't. Even if you have it activated they can't do anything to your vehicle unless you give the word.

MrGeezer

Why can't they?

Legally they can't, but technology wise nothing can stop them. If the legal aspect of that ever changes then every owner of an onstar enabled vehicle is screwed.

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#10 Plzhelpmelearn
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Thats one thing I never understand about gamestop customers, they'll get a game and trade it in right away.

I NEVER trade in a game unless it's completely not my style. I think out ofthe 75 games I have for PS3/Wii/360, I've traded in a total of 6 games.

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why would you trade in at all with craigslist and ebay around. Gamestop is a ripoff