Im about to go get drunk but I want to say one more thing.
I think all of those who believe that making someone suffer for doing something bad to try and create some sense of equality in suffering are mistaken in their views of crime. You have to ask yourselves what motivates a particular crime, because crime will continue to exist as long as the criminal has a powerful motivation to do it. Society has proven that jail is not a good deterrent, considering America is at the point where we don't prosecute all our criminals because there is no room for them at a jail. It is easy to sit behind your computer screen and condemn those who struggle with addiction and poverty for not taking a full time minimum wage job and suffering like the rest of us, but at the end of the day, it is actually costing you more to have these people sit in a jail for them to "suffer" on tax payer dollars. I'm not for having dangerous people running around society, but I am not for them suffering for the sake of it. It is better for society to help these people make amends for what they've done and become productive citizens. My only exception is murder because I personally believe that the only way to make amends for taking human life is to give your life. If that means a life of forced labor or the death penalty, does not matter to me.
[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"] if you were homeless and now you are getting a bed and 3 square meals on taxpayer dollars it is a reward. His point was that it was a reward to commit a crime and NOT go to jail, not the other way around. oh my bad i misread it.
[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]You aren't being rewarded though. Ninja-Hippo
Isn't it a reward not to be sentenced to prison for a felony? No. You have suffered no negative consequence but you haven't gained anything. Your actions have not been positively rewarded at all. if you were homeless and now you are getting a bed and 3 square meals on taxpayer dollars it is a reward.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]However, that would not be a deterrent to a career criminal.LJS9502_basic
I think making amends would be a deterrent though admittedly not for a career criminal who would probably make much more on crime than he would have to pay to make amends for the ones he gets caught. If someone could be established as a career criminal, then I agree he should be put into prison to keep society safe.And therein lies the problem. Plus, not everyone can afford to make amends. Let's look at a drug addict that steals for his habit. He has nothing with which to repay the person. Nor do all addicts decide to clean up even faced with adversity. exactly,then they are not rehabilitated so jail them and give them help until they are better. If someone can't afford to make amends then garnish their wages or force them to do work in a jail and their payment can go towards their imprisonment costs and to the victims. I think it should be based on practicality and not to make them suffer for the sake of suffering cuz they did something bad. I will also contradict myself somewhat and say that if you intentionally murder someone and it is provable beyond the shadow of any doubt (which is where i take fault with the American justice system) then you deserve the death penalty.
Oh, no, making amends would be fantastic; however, sitting in a jail cell is not making amends.
LJS9502_basic
okay, then I agree. Jails purpose should probably only be to keep dangerous people out of society. If the justice system could come up with an effective system to force people to make amends i think that would be much more ideal. However, that would not be a deterrent to a career criminal. I think making amends would be a deterrent though admittedly not for a career criminal who would probably make much more on crime than he would have to pay to make amends for the ones he gets caught. If someone could be established as a career criminal, then I agree he should be put into prison to keep society safe.
On the Rachel Maddow show she dug up some videos from a similar oil leak that happened in the 70s. It was interesting because they have done almost everything that BP has done and it all failed the same. Ultimately, it will take those other wells that are months away to stop it was her conclusion. That sucks.
So Gabuex, you don't think that the criminal has to make any kind of penance to the victims he or she victimized? Don't you think one aspect of justice is not just rehabilitation but also making amends for the damage you have caused?
GabuEx
Oh, no, making amends would be fantastic; however, sitting in a jail cell is not making amends.
okay, then I agree. Jails purpose should probably only be to keep dangerous people out of society. If the justice system could come up with an effective system to force people to make amends i think that would be much more ideal.
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