Christianity is the largest western religion, generally seen as the most legitimate, and often tied to conservatism in America. Being the largest it draws the most attention and considering the liberal lean of most universities it draws the most attacks. Islam, Buddhism, and other religions are treated, imo, as other cultures instead of religions and are thus treated differently than Christianity. There are probably countless other factors that contribute to the attacks that christianity draws to itself, though, I know that almost every atheist book I have read attack christianity exclusively, this is probably due to the fact that it has the strongest philosophical foundation due to many western philosophers throughout history being christian.
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[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"]
Stuff which I had to labor many hours to acquire. Stuff which if a thief steals, then the thief has effectively enslaved me for the amount of time that I had to labor to acquire it. Lets face it, if I had to work 40 hours to buy something, and then someone comes along and steals it from me, then for those 40 hours which I labored to buy the item, I was basically a slave to the thief. I don't take kindly to being enslaved.
[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"]It is easy to blame the criminal and he or she obviously initiated this specific situation, however it may be wise to consider what has possibly led the criminal to this point in his life. Perhaps the criminal is trying to provide for his or her family out of desperate circumstances?dkrustyklown
Didn't ask. Don't care. Not my problem.
Is this deserving of death especially if the criminal presents no risk to your or your family's life? Plzhelpmelearn
Well, considering that the thief is effectively trying to enslave me, then the answer is yes.
Wow. just wow. your complete lack of empathy and your ability to justify murdering someone for taking property from you because they have "enslaved" you is so distant from reality that I am not sure how to bring you back. Enjoy living in your fantasy world where we all have an equal chance for success and those that don't have a chance to get good jobs and homes should just do the "hard working" men like yourself a favor and starve to death.[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"]I think it is more of keeping things in perspective. We are talking about a man's life versus some property. If you just called the cops, the criminal could still be caught. If you shoot him in the back as he runs (obviously in a situation where your life is not threatened) then you have ended a human life over stuff. It is easy to blame the criminal and he or she obviously initiated this specific situation, however it may be wise to consider what has possibly led the criminal to this point in his life. Perhaps the criminal is trying to provide for his or her family out of desperate circumstances? Is this deserving of death especially if the criminal presents no risk to your or your family's life? airshocker
How am I supposed to know he doesn't intend to risk my family's life?
If a criminal breaks into my home when I'm around and he doesn't surrender when I challenge him, I'm going to shoot him. I don't care what his life circumstances are.
So if he runs out the front door fleeing for his life after you challenge him does that constitute as surrender? I understand that this circumstance would be very sensitive and I could not necessarily blame someone for being jumpy and pulling the trigger out of uncertainty and fear of what the criminal's intentions would be. However, I am getting the vibe from some of you that it would be good sport to shoot a criminal entering into your home, like it was a deer in the woods. I see though that you seem pretty incapable of empathy "I don't care what his life circumstances are...." so there is no point in trying to make you understand that most criminals don't want to steal to make a living, they just have not had the opportunities that a nice middle class homeowner like yourself (in this example) has had to earn a nice living.[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]Why do you assume that people side with the criminals? They're not asking the criminals to get off without punishment.airshocker
It seems to me that you side with a criminal when you defend their actions and then put the blame on those that they hurt. Not you specifically, mind, but various organizations and lawyers.
I think we worry far too much on what happens to the criminal than what they did to their victims. That seems a little backwards to me.
I think it is more of keeping things in perspective. We are talking about a man's life versus some property. If you just called the cops, the criminal could still be caught. If you shoot him in the back as he runs (obviously in a situation where your life is not threatened) then you have ended a human life over stuff. It is easy to blame the criminal and he or she obviously initiated this specific situation, however it may be wise to consider what has possibly led the criminal to this point in his life. Perhaps the criminal is trying to provide for his or her family out of desperate circumstances? Is this deserving of death especially if the criminal presents no risk to your or your family's life?I agree with this, though I think there are certain circumstances that warrant the death penalty (such as first degree murder). I do however think that the evidence should be "without any doubt" instead of "reasonable doubt" as in most criminal cases. I don't want to see someone executed off of circumstantial evidence, I want to see some damning physical evidence.[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]
1. Criminals do not cease being human beings; the decision that those who are guilty of a crime cease to deserve basic human rights is one that would dehumanize the justice system and render its moral authority null and void.
2. Criminals have only been convicted through a trial by jury; there is no ironclad 100% guarantee that they are guilty, and as such, the punishment should not be unbounded and should leave open the ability for one to receive proper restitution if they are later exonerated.
GabuEx
But the problem there is that the burden of proof in criminal cases is about as high as you can reasonably get. "Without any doubt" is impossible; there can always be completely unreasonable doubt no matter. People don't get convicted of murder just on the basis of he-said-she-said.
While I understand that people are not convicted of murder solely based on he-said-she said circumstances and also that true lack of any possible doubt is impossible, I have read of far too many cases that have relied on circumstantial evidence, which while certainly relevant, is no doubt not as reliable as physical evidence directly linking the accused to the crime. Clever prosecutors are able to take this evidence and construct a series of events that while possible and convincing are almost as easily wrong.I guess at the end of the day i would rather 1 thousand criminals go free than 1 innocent man get the death penalty, and the system is definitely broken as it currently stands. It would just be nice in my eyes if it was possible to keep it around for those particularly sick individuals that deserve it.
[QUOTE="chathuranga"]I will never understand why some people care about protecting the "rights" of criminals. GabuEx
1. Criminals do not cease being human beings; the decision that those who are guilty of a crime cease to deserve basic human rights is one that would dehumanize the justice system and render its moral authority null and void.
2. Criminals have only been convicted through a trial by jury; there is no ironclad 100% guarantee that they are guilty, and as such, the punishment should not be unbounded and should leave open the ability for one to receive proper restitution if they are later exonerated.
I agree with this, though I think there are certain circumstances that warrant the death penalty (such as first degree murder). I do however think that the evidence should be "without any doubt" instead of "reasonable doubt" as in most criminal cases. I don't want to see someone executed off of circumstantial evidence, I want to see some damning physical evidence.I happen to be a lesbian trapped in a man's body, and yes i pursue women with reckless disregard for my own self esteem
Edit: was not a big fan of that album of covers and remakes they did though. They pretty much butchered Lennon's Imagineone of the best hard rock bands imo
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Considering ICE has pretty much stated that they will not help arizona enforce its law, i can understand this as a practical method from removing illegals from your state. Ultimately a national reform that secures the border and works the illegals into legal residents is necessary, and honestly I think a lot of these measures by Arizona is to twist the federal governments into doing it ASAP. I can't blame them for being pissed about having thousands and maybe millions of illegals leeching off the American and Arizona system.
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