[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"][QUOTE="A_Falcies_Fancy"] you missed my point. you cannot CHOOSE to believe something. you either believe it or you don't. thats the base of it. of course reasons and evidence factor into one's beliefs, but choice? there is no choice.UbiquitousAeon

[QUOTE="Deihjan"]I would if the cool people of Gufu would consider me for an invite, but alas, i'm not cool enough :[mitu123

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[QUOTE="A_Falcies_Fancy"] also, you may want to tell gypsy that its actually impossible to CHOOSE what to believe. just throwin that out there.A_Falcies_Fancy

I choose to believe in a God. I choose to disbelieve the type of god found in the bible solely because i fear the church lied and slandered it, possible fabricated it. However, I also choose to keep an open mind that it could very well be possible to be real. Your statement makes no sense what so ever and im not really sure what you are trying to get at. People change their religious views all the time, people convert every day. You couldn't be more wrong.

What I am trying to get at here is that the idea of disbelief without evidence in the slightest is baffling to me. As a human race we know very little about the origins of everything, the universe, hell even our own planet. But some choose to just not believe and possibly doom themselves to the removal of their existence after they die based on these scientific findings? Thats absurd and beyond my comprehension. Why does it have to be one or the other, why can't you just have an open mind and accept that a God may or may not exist, not that it doesnt or does for sure and without a doubt. If you are wrong, you are screwed and you did it to yourself, there is no worse fate than that. All because you couldn't keep an open mind. I feel sorry for those who disbelieve. I feel sorry for anyone who cant keep an open mind and wants to make a swift life altering judgement based on no evidence what so ever and a very primitive knowledge of the universe and origin in general. As a human race, we know almost nothing, we are brand new at this and still learning.

[QUOTE="A_Falcies_Fancy"][QUOTE="dkdk999"] i don't think you can apply any characteristics whatsoever to something that has no evidence. us being here imo is defiantly not evidence

dkdk999

I don't think that was a joke as much as it was an amusing story....

without bashing beliefs, I'd like to know why people choose to not believe in an afterlife and a god. What if you are wrong and there is one, you've just doomed yourself to the end of your existence. You wont exist after you die. That is the scariest thing possible. It seems more logical to hope for the best and choose to have faith so that if you are in fact wrong, god might let you continue onward. Doesnt that seem worth having faith for? I mean...its like some people want to not exist after your body dies. Thats some weird logic and thinking to me.

sintygypsy

[QUOTE="Phoenix6359"]This is good ol' political correctness, if it's Western it is fine to insult, abuse or slander it. If it's not Western well you had better keep your mouth shut.IWKYB

Islam is too much of a joke of a religion to make fun of.

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[QUOTE="dkdk999"] do want to explain a little more about this change you see? i mean i think you agree with me that its completely unreasonable and crazy for someone to say something like the easter bunny could exist. but why is there this other category called the creator of the universe or something and you apply different rules. thanks for your reply btw most people haven't really replied to what i have said.

dkdk999

Basically I am differentiating between specific man-made deities versus a general creator.

The creation of the universe to me is far less perplexing than the existence of life. However the existence of both, along with very specific rules and many other complex intricacies leads me to believe that there was most likely intelligence involved in it. The classic teleological or "watchmaker" argument is a perfect example. If you pick up a watch on the ground, it is fair to assume that the watch was made by a watch maker and not just spontaneously exist.

However, I am a former fundamental christian (pentecostal) and can say with confidence that any information received regarding any deity in regards to the world's major religions is basically taken on the trust of other individual humans. Whether it is Christianity, Judaism, Islam, etc...they all boil down to "This guy said this and I believe him" which to me is equivalent to belief in the easter bunny.

Yea, I have never met one of those elusive good cops yet. I'm sure they are out there somewhere though. I live with a security officer who chills with a bunch of cops and I can say that I know of several occasions where non uniformed popos have driven under the influence and gotten off because they are cops. If I drive drunk I lose my license, car, and livelihood though...