So wait, if a developer says the PS3 has less memory than the X360 or worser graphics...... that makes it true. Think again. Present the data and perhaps people will believe. Its just that simple. Had it come from a non bias source, atleast it would have had some credibility.

That's not even a similar analogy. I'm talking about gaming journalism, and you bring in devs? WTH are you talking about?

So there is no integrity among gaming devs but there is among gaming journalism?? Who are you trying to convice? Certainly not me.

[QUOTE="RaveRabbid"][QUOTE="i_like_pizza"][QUOTE="RaveRabbid"]

Again, claiming that because Matt works for IGN, he cannot lie is preposterous. However, something that isn't a lie is is fanboyism for Nintendo and the sole reason his statements cannot be taken at face value. IGN certainly didn't tell him to post that as news. If those numbers are indeed correct (highly doubtful), you will see Nintendo release a press statement like MS does all the time. Until then, its nothing more than a hoax.

i_like_pizza

With the knowledge NPD is a private company that could sue another organization for falsifying their data, it's fairly safe to assume that Matt is not lying. Not only that, but there are thousands of people with access to this information, and if Matt's report was false, we would know by now. Just so you know, the reported attach ratios for the two consoles were VERY close. Apparently, the Wii was slightly about 8 (8.11), while the 360 was slightly below 8 (like 7.86 or something).

Again, stop assuming. Where is the hard data? NPD didn't state the ratio but Matt did.

NPD DID STATE THE RATIO! Do you not get that they are a private company that spends BIG BUCKS to track these retailers? Do you think they would give away their info for free? Early in 2007 NPD actually took the right away from its subscribers to post ANY data, not even a brief report. They have the right to do that if they want because it is their data. Do you think a company that collects data to sell to investors and industry insiders would not care about someone falsifying their tracked claims?

Seriously, don't be a fool. This is plain and simple.

Where is the link that states they stated THAT RATIO?? There seems to be some serious debate. The thread was started with the premise that the Wii had a higher attach ratio for Dec. but the proof was a statement by a bias fanboy (Matt).

No other data was presented. The TC asked the forum goers to believe this statement at face value but Matt has no credibility hence, more proof (in terms of numbers) is required. No one should ever have to take a statement at face value unless its credible. Again, if you believe that NPD stated this Ratio, please provide the link.

[QUOTE="RaveRabbid"][QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="RaveRabbid"]

Again, claiming that because Matt works for IGN, he cannot lie is preposterous. However, something that isn't a lie is is fanboyism for Nintendo and the sole reason his statements cannot be taken at face value. IGN certainly didn't tell him to post that as news. If those numbers are indeed correct (highly doubtful), you will see Nintendo release a press statement like MS does all the time. Until then, its nothing more than a hoax.

i_like_pizza

So if he lied no one else who had the data would call him out on it?

No one else cares. Most gamers don't have the data.

You think no one in the gaming journalism cares about the integrity of their profession? Just because GS is supposedly corrupt doesn't mean EVERYONE in the industry is. Face the facts.

So wait, if a developer says the PS3 has less memory than the X360 or worser graphics...... that makes it true. Think again. Present the data and perhaps people will believe. Its just that simple. Had it come from a non bias source, atleast it would have had some credibility.

[QUOTE="RaveRabbid"]

Again, claiming that because Matt works for IGN, he cannot lie is preposterous. However, something that isn't a lie is is fanboyism for Nintendo and the sole reason his statements cannot be taken at face value. IGN certainly didn't tell him to post that as news. If those numbers are indeed correct (highly doubtful), you will see Nintendo release a press statement like MS does all the time. Until then, its nothing more than a hoax.

i_like_pizza

With the knowledge NPD is a private company that could sue another organization for falsifying their data, it's fairly safe to assume that Matt is not lying. Not only that, but there are thousands of people with access to this information, and if Matt's report was false, we would know by now. Just so you know, the reported attach ratios for the two consoles were VERY close. Apparently, the Wii was slightly about 8 (8.11), while the 360 was slightly below 8 (like 7.86 or something).

Again, stop assuming. Where is the hard data? NPD didn't state the ratio but Matt did.

[QUOTE="RaveRabbid"]

Again, claiming that because Matt works for IGN, he cannot lie is preposterous. However, something that isn't a lie is is fanboyism for Nintendo and the sole reason his statements cannot be taken at face value. IGN certainly didn't tell him to post that as news. If those numbers are indeed correct (highly doubtful), you will see Nintendo release a press statement like MS does all the time. Until then, its nothing more than a hoax.

GundamGuy0

So if he lied no one else who had the data would call him out on it?

No one else cares. Most gamers don't have the data.

You won't ever see those numbers unless you pay for them, and no one who has payed can post them because it's illegal. Also, Matt, representing IGN can't lie about those numbers. And even if he did, he would be called out on it. It's not even an option that Matt is lying about this.

Again, claiming that because Matt works for IGN, he cannot lie is preposterous. However, something that isn't a lie is is fanboyism for Nintendo and the sole reason his statements cannot be taken at face value. IGN certainly didn't tell him to post that as news. If those numbers are indeed correct (highly doubtful), you will see Nintendo release a press statement like MS does all the time. Until then, its nothing more than a hoax.

Oh, and I'm also disputing that the Wii has sold more games for December than any other console. Again, show me the data..... if it even exists. Another such statement made by Matt. I wonder why Nintendo hasn't stated this.

That may be true but where are those top 20 games? I can't see it. Most places only have the top ten selling games for Dec. Also, the X360 has the highest number among the top 10? Are you saying that somehow.......... out of the blue....... the Wii managed to have more games that sold better than the X360 in the top 20? That seems unlikely. If someone can provide a link to this Data (because we all know Matt isn't going to do it).

that data cost thousands of dollars...

My point is, Matt isn't credible since he is the biggest Nintendo fanboy. If he substantiated the data, it would make more sense since many people are interested. Anybody can claim anything. Its what on paper that counts. And in this case, we don't have the data hence, we can't take this statement on face value.

[QUOTE="RaveRabbid"][QUOTE="svetzenlether"]

Haven't seen this posted anywhere here, yet, but it's pretty interesting since it completely blows a major argument against the Wii and its owners out of the water:

http://wii.ign.com/articles/847/847472p1.html

Keep in mind that these are NPD numbers and not figures that Nintendo claims or anything like that.

GundamGuy0

According the link, the Wii sold more games in Dec. for every Wii consoled sold in the U.S. However, looking at the NPD data, that doesn't seem plausible. Just looking at the top 10 games, the X360 sold the most software and also sold less unit in Dec. compared to the Wii. That would make the attach ration for the X360 higher than the Wii.

Hmmm..... is Matt upto his old tricks again?

They publish more then the top 10... (The next 15 add up in the Wii's favor) (Matt wasn't the only one to say this)

That may be true but where are those top 20 games? I can't see it. Most places only have the top ten selling games for Dec. Also, the X360 has the highest number among the top 10? Are you saying that somehow.......... out of the blue....... the Wii managed to have more games that sold better than the X360 in the top 20? That seems unlikely. If someone can provide a link to this Data (because we all know Matt isn't going to do it).

Haven't seen this posted anywhere here, yet, but it's pretty interesting since it completely blows a major argument against the Wii and its owners out of the water:

http://wii.ign.com/articles/847/847472p1.html

Keep in mind that these are NPD numbers and not figures that Nintendo claims or anything like that.

svetzenlether

According the link, the Wii sold more games in Dec. for every Wii consoled sold in the U.S. However, looking at the NPD data, that doesn't seem plausible. Just looking at the top 10 games, the X360 sold the most software and also sold less unit in Dec. compared to the Wii. That would make the attach ration for the X360 higher than the Wii.

Hmmm..... is Matt upto his old tricks again?