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#1 Revan_911
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[QUOTE="Revan_911"][QUOTE="mythrol"]

I've put over 30 hours into ME2 already and have not run into 1 single half-hour conversation.

Also, almost every single conversation has a quick out where if you choose the left middle option, you're almost always able to end the conversation and just move on. Keep in mind the side stories are ALL skip-able if you so choose.

I've also played DS's for a TON of hours (somewhere near 100 I think) so I'm pretty sure I've spent more time with BOTH games than you, and while I thought DS was GREAT . . . ME2 is the one on another level. Specifically because of how good the story is.

I also don't get people calling DS's a RPG. It's a dungeon crawler. A very good dungeon crawler, but one none the less. Torchlight made a better attempt to present the story than DS.

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Well that's nice , but the fact remains that DS is not a story driven RPG. After i posted here that the ME story made no sense and its over the top people scolded me for not paying enough attention to the dialogue. I said hey I'm not superhuman, im not going to question everybody, I'm not going to sit trough thousand lines of dialogue in hope that i will find one that has any meaning. So yeah in ME2 i sat trough every dialogue. And that story you so admire is ME2 is almost non existent. It can be explained in two sentences. Not unless you count the life story, political view and family relationships of every single one of your party members. Who would care about that stuff i don't know, but yeah it's in the game you must sit trough it.

well it's pretty simple really, ME1 had a direct story structure:point A to point B

and any side missions largely explored some mysterious stuff going on in the background, stuff that was largely unimportant

ME2 has a story structure much like Dragon Age: point A diverges to sub-points A-infinity then comes together to point B

that kind of story structure makes side missions much more important, if not the core of the story itself (much like Empire Strikes Back was not about taking down the Empire but was about character development)

both have their own advantages/disadvantages, obviously Bioware has been trying to make side missions a larger part of their games rather than simply something the player does to jump off the rails and get a little variety for variety's sake, which style you like it totally up to taste, nothing wrong with either structure

i really like both games (ME1 and ME2) and i'm glad they tried to do something different, imo it made the ME universe a lot more interesting

It's not about doing something different, it's about laziness from the writers. How would you feel if you bought let's say a Zelda game, and they say well you're gonna save the princess in the sequel, but for now gather ten random coins scattered across the world (Bad analogy maybe haven't played Zelda since the NES.)
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#2 Revan_911
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[QUOTE="The_Quarian"][QUOTE="andybobbins16"][QUOTE="Revan_911"] 9.5 average on metacritic and guys like this who say it's the best experience ever....

GTA IV got raves all round but I know I dislike the franchise so I go by personnal opinion and dont buy it.

Exactly. I assume you disliked the first game, correct? Why buy the second at full price given that fact?

I already told you! Everyone said that it's the best thing since sex and that it was a massive improvement from the first one.
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[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="Mazoch"]Geez people. I can understand not liking BioWare style games. But ranting about how horrid, dumb and 'unepic' ME1 is while ranting about how awesome and great KotOR is?! They are the same thing, one has a Star Wars theme, the other one don't. One uses a derived D&D system, the other a semi-FPS combat system.. but lets be honest, who plays BioWare games for their combat. Dakan, I know you like MW2 (and yet rant about dumbed down console ports on the PC?!), how can you seriously talk about MW's story being stupid and 'epic wannabe' without throwing up just from just hearing MW2's abortion of a story?!

:shock:...:lol:.no offence dude but i dide laughing Unlike most people i am not saying that to insult you, but i was just thought you are kidding, apparently you dont. Wait are you kidding? Yeah kotor was awesome and mass effect was a "wannabe epic game" I start to doubt mass effect epicness when i was turned into a spectre. Everything that was coming out of the counsil mouths made me think of one simple thing "Lameeeeeeee" "what kinda writing is this? Are the va actors kidding me" and the other thing was "Kotor did the jedi part so much better". Ofcourse the way went down that way and keep getting worse. Well you know the rest!! Also here comes the part i laugherd: "they are the same thing. one uses a derived D&D system and the other a semi-fps combat system" How the hell is that the same? :( Its not, its like they pulled pc rpgs from mass effect 2 and filled them with a huge dosage of halo and fable. Only then one can find mass effect story amazing and gameplay great!! As for mw2 part. MW2 is not an endless dialogue of idiots in bioware trying to explain and give answers to what and why and which and what, when they dont know the answer themselfs. They just get down to it and say BOOOM now go and fight!! I guess that makes the story crap too;) But i was not bored by listening to endless of dialogues, instead they throwed me some pretty controversial stufff and Plotwists that actually grabed my attention and made me care about the game. Unlikely mass effect was an endless blah, blah, blah,blah with a "Save the universe" sticker on it. When all you did is to talk to people and get stupid explanations on questions you asked in the form of dialogues in an borring room!! Unlikelly, in mw2 the story is told by watching the events unfold infront of you. You watch it as every "cinematic" game should be like uncharted and mgs4, and not talk about it in the entire freaking playtrough like you are talking about history. Most of ME story was history instead of awesome things happen right infront of you. MW2 had plenty of epic moments, yet politically unstable and broken in scriptwritting terms. But ME story was like you talk about history instead of everything happen right infront of you or watch a movie. The only parts that were actually like that on mass effect were the beginning of the game, the ending and slightly that part when you find Saren and have to sacrifice one teammate. All the rest however felt unimpotant blah blah in dialogues!! How about using a cutscene to tell the past insted of talking forever with that Prothean Ai? Bad writing and plot holes or stupid excuses i can forgive if what happens infront of you is impressive and grasping. But a game or a movie borring me to death with endless dialogues and borring enviroments with no explosions is something i cant forgive. Just like price commented on Twillight New moon book: "Wait,a bit later they all have super powers and stand and talk for 70 pages and nobody is fighting, thats a great way to end a book series".......NOT!!! :lol: To put it simply, i would have liked mass effect more if they showed some space battles or some huge armies fighting one each other. If the game gave me the impression that it actually is that epic sci fi mastepiece they make it sould like. I can bet than in ME2 there is no Counsil alliance standing together and fighting the aliens. Neither there is some kinda "spark" between the good guy (Shephard) and some bad guy Villian. Instead of fighting, they just cruise around planets that jumped out in the middle of nowhere and they collect partymembers!!! WTF is this? Assemble a fleet and attack the Evil AI ships and sent them back from when they came from!!! Thats how you continue an epic game, by taking the fight to them.

That post is made of win. Everything i wanted to say about ME but couldn't because my English sucks.
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[QUOTE="The_Quarian"][QUOTE="Revan_911"] What do you mean? 5$ for ME1 on steam and 50$ for ME2.

I meant that you clearly dislike the series... so why get Mass Effect 2 at full price?

9.5 average on metacritic and guys like this who say it's the best experience ever....
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[QUOTE="The_Quarian"][QUOTE="Revan_911"][QUOTE="The_Quarian"] No offense, but it seems to me you are setting yourself up for criticism. This game is like by nearly everyone here, apparently (and for good reason too), and stating the contrary isn't going to make you any friends, or gain you any support. You don't like the game? Great! You have an opinion like everyone else! Stop forcing it on other people who do like it though.

Hey i spent 55$ on this franchise, and i want to discuss it .

Sounds to me like you made a bad purchase then.

What do you mean? 5$ for ME1 on steam and 50$ for ME2.
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#6 Revan_911
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[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

Best singleplayer game this gen by a long shot imo. Anyone who hasnt played it yet is missing out.

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This is the truth.

A big no.
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[QUOTE="The_Quarian"][QUOTE="Revan_911"] Oh, so I've made a complaint on this game and you can't explain the plot hole and now you say go away? Typical.

No offense, but it seems to me you are setting yourself up for criticism. This game is like by nearly everyone here, apparently (and for good reason too), and stating the contrary isn't going to make you any friends, or gain you any support. You don't like the game? Great! You have an opinion like everyone else! Stop forcing it on other people who do like it though.

Hey i spent 55$ on this franchise, and i want to discuss it .
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Actually, 'cows' are missing quite a lot with Mass Effect 2.The_Quarian
If they think they are missing out on an epic story they should watch Space Mutiny or Turkish Star Wars, because it makes as much sense as those.
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[QUOTE="SaudiFury"][QUOTE="Revan_911"][QUOTE="mythrol"] So, I guess it's pretty obvious from that, that you missed the point. I suppose you completely fell asleep when they explained the connection between the Reapers and the Collectors. There isn't a big blaring sign saying "Reapers are here, come kill us." in this game, however it does progress the overall storyline.

Spoilers As i said i sat trough every contrived dialogue, and yeah i got the connection. But it doesn't fit anywhere in the big picture, that is the storyline that the first game started. Well it fits a little , but it doesn't add anything. So Collectors = Protheans , ok and they're building a human.....reaper. They say that every reaper looks like the race they just assimilated, but at the end you saw that every reaper looked the same. Even the abandoned reaper you find looks like the other reapers and he's supposed to be 25 million years old? This doesn't make much sense. I'm babbling, but as i said they couldn't come up with something so they made the whole game gathering team mates.

ok, i'm gonna say it, and be damned if anyone decides to cry wolf to the mods. grow up, it's a game. we know - very clearly - you don't like it. move on. let others have their fun. let. it. go.... you've spent days pissing on Mass Effect 1, and you've now spend 2 days pissing on it's sequel. move on.

Oh, so I've made a complaint on this game and you can't explain the plot hole and now you say go away? Typical.
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[QUOTE="mythrol"][QUOTE="Revan_911"] No i got the point the point was there shouting at my face "THERE IS NO POINT". The writing staff came up with the story in 5 minutes because the whole reaper storyline was taken for the third game. So you basically do side missions the entire game in preparation for the third game which will continue the ridiculous reaper storyline.

So, I guess it's pretty obvious from that, that you missed the point. I suppose you completely fell asleep when they explained the connection between the Reapers and the Collectors. There isn't a big blaring sign saying "Reapers are here, come kill us." in this game, however it does progress the overall storyline.

Spoilers As i said i sat trough every contrived dialogue, and yeah i got the connection. But it doesn't fit anywhere in the big picture, that is the storyline that the first game started. Well it fits a little , but it doesn't add anything. So Collectors = Protheans , ok and they're building a human.....reaper. They say that every reaper looks like the race they just assimilated, but at the end you saw that every reaper looked the same. Even the abandoned reaper you find looks like the other reapers and he's supposed to be 25 million years old? This doesn't make much sense. I'm babbling, but as i said they couldn't come up with something so they made the whole game gathering team mates.