[QUOTE="metaldude05"]i think good and evil exist. but like other people have said it depends on the person what is good and what is evil. but that doesnt mean it doesnt exist WildstarGoethe

I agree. There are certainly acts of evil committed...or if you prefer to call them sociopathic, fine. There are acts that are committed that no matter how you choose to label them, they are extremely bad to any rational human. Take the holocaust of the Jewish people in WWII. Take the genocide in Rwanda. edit, Take what was done to people for the sake of blood diamonds in Sierra Leone and Angola. Take the crimes committed by Unit 731 in Japan. Take Ted Bundy's rape and murder career. Take Jeffrey Dahmer's love of murdering, raping and eating boys. I could go on. Other's could add to this list I'm sure. There is a lot of evil in the world. To say everything is gray and open to interpretation is ridiculous. There are good and bad acts, that are blindingly black and white.

The question of good and evil is one that philosphers throughout history have struggled with. Good and Evil are completely subjective, based on your society, your religion, and your culture. I still believe that everyone should agree that life is sacred, and to take that away from someone is Evil. However, at the same turn, does the motives of that murder change it from evil to good? For example, during the Crusades (I won't use radical islam as an example, the extent of their perversion of their own religion is too outlandish for me to use it as an analogy) the knights thought what they were doing was noble, "God's Work." However, another question will arise. Simply because they personally think their cause is noble, does that make it right? Charles Manson thought he was doing what was right and necessary when he brainwashed those girls and convinced them to kill. The questions of good and evil will only lead you to more questions.

Explain this pic:

1. Defeat the Kingdom of Great Britain 1783 and gain independence - at the time; Great Britain considered most powerful nation on earth since the Treaty of Paris 1763.

2. Abolish slavery (eventualy)

3. Defeat seceding southern US states and fully Unite America as one nation - 1865

4. First and only nation (so far) to successfully land on the moon.

5. D - Day landings - jointly with British Empire/Commonwealth - 1944.

6. Achieve the most powerfull navy on earth, and global maritime domination - 1945 onwards.

7. With allies, defeat Nazi Germany.

8. With NATO nations, successfully avoid a third world war - ending the cold war.

9. Defeat Imperial Japanese navy - 1945.

10. Most powerful economic nation on earth.

And it was all going so well, until you guys invaded Iraq and murdered thousands of women and children for oil.

gamedude2020

Here we go again... Educate yourself, the world is a better place without Houssein. Iraq's not getting carpet bombed, and it was never about oil (if it was, why's gas closing in on $5/gallon?). I'll admit it was a bad call claiming WMD's, but hindsight's always 20/20. Please do your homework before making such an insulting and misinformed statement.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

So i can assume that you seriously believe that the war in the middle east was started to save the poor people there and bring democracy?

Mr_sprinkles

^ ^ Case in point.

How is that a case in point? I question obviously flawed logic so that means i'm the liberal majority ruining the country? :roll:

I believe it's the left wing that buys what the media feeds them, as easily as a 14 year old girl watching MTV. Sad.

Oh wow. You're saying muslim terrorists exist in the world, therefore a guy who isn't even muslim but simply has a muslim background should not be allowed to have a job in politics? Are you serious? :?

Also, i'm fairly sure stuff like this is why people no longer accept "but 9/11" as a justification for military action:

Ninja-Hippo

I'm saying Obama is a media created Rockstar, he's done NOTHING! He has never been in the military, which has not been challenged. For the average person, it doesn't mean anything if you've never served but for the Commander in Chief, the one in charge of the Armed Forces, the media ALWAYS attacks a presidential candidate if they've never served. Why have they not even touched on that topic with Obama? Also, with your "obviously credible" bar graph there, Iraqis are killing Iraqis. Suicide bombings, IED's, the VAST majority of civilian deaths in Iraq are caused by terrorists!

The were attacking the WORLD TRADE Center, the Pentagon and possibly the White House, they weren't trying to attack the innocent people. Also by being there, our troops have killed even more INNOCENT people.X360PS3AMD05

You're making yourself look worse with this post. The WORLD TRADE Center, despite it's NAME, is a CIVILIAN OPERATION. That is not a military target, they were all civilians who died. Are you seriously trying to justify 9/11 as a legitimate military attack, and then at the same time criticise our own country for innocents killed in Afganistan and Iraq?! WOW!!!

9/11 is over and done, it happened because our government gets into things that it has no business getting into. You can't kill every single muslin extremist and by being there you are only creating more. Like i said, read some articles from IVAW in my sig. X360PS3AMD05

I'm going to *honestly* try not to say anything insulting here, despite the fact that this has to be the most idiotic post I've ever seen. These Muslim extremists that killed all of those innocent people, it's OUR government's fault? I do agree with you on the impossibility of killing everyone who hates America, but strategic bombing of their resources, training camps, and weapons cache's is a must.