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#1 Robbler
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[QUOTE="Robbler"][QUOTE="Elephant_Couple"]

Well obviously. Religion can't create any human tendencies, but God can if He does exist. God does is not the same as religion, since you brought it up. Also, your natural feeling of guilt or disgust...why would you have that if what you did was not something you shouldn't have done, and therefore wrong? Even if there exists no god, why is the human condition not enough to account for any natural concepualization of right and wrong?

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All creatures retain certain self-preservation instincts as part of their genetic profile. Empathy is one Human genetic trait that allows us to continue to exist, for without it, we would surely perish. It is a Darwinian instinct which Humans must possess in order to further our existence on this planet.

So if you don't possess empathy, how could you be a "monster," as you put it? Nothing is right or wrong. If your lack of empathy allows you to persist, wouldn't that actually be perfectly fine?

Humans are also endowed with the capacity of logic and reason. The end result is the application of logic and reason juxtaposed with Human emotion/Humanity. The idea is to base your ideology/feelings around your concern for Humanity and people, and not let it be biased by bogus notions of religion, duty to ignorant family, etc. People are always the main concern, and that includes you too, in an unbiased context. Only right-wing ideology is dog-eat-dog in nature. Only concepts of Capitalism connote screwing your fellow Human Being. Pragmatism does not denote hatred and insularity, it denotes a sense of cause and effect in practical Human terms, in the way we relate to one another, in the practical sense that we coexist.
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#2 Robbler
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[QUOTE="Robbler"][QUOTE="Elephant_Couple"]

Let's say you're alone on an island with a 3 year old child. You rape the child and kill him. Nobody else is there. There is no negative human reaction. There is no negative consequence.

Are raping and killing that child acceptable actions because they don't produce an undesirable reaction or consequence?

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The undesirable reaction is the negative feeling of Human guilt and disgust. If you don't feel that, you are an abnormal Human and are a Monster. The Human Condition is what makes us Human, NOT dogmatic religion.

Well obviously. Religion can't create any human tendencies, but God can if He does exist. God does is not the same as religion, since you brought it up. Also, your natural feeling of guilt or disgust...why would you have that if what you did was not something you shouldn't have done, and therefore wrong? Even if there exists no god, why is the human condition not enough to account for any natural concepualization of right and wrong?

All creatures retain certain self-preservation instincts as part of their genetic profile. Empathy is one Human genetic trait that allows us to continue to exist, for without it, we would surely perish. It is a Darwinian instinct which Humans must possess in order to further our existence on this planet.
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#3 Robbler
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[QUOTE="Elephant_Couple"]

[QUOTE="Robbler"]One needs to take a pragmatic perspective. A matter of action and desired consequence. Cause and effect. To hell with religion. To hell with morality. Every action is associated with a reaction. Focus your actions with the intent of the desired reaction. There is no right or wrong, only action and reaction.MrGeezer

Let's say you're alone on an island with a 3 year old child. You rape the child and kill him. Nobody else is there. There is no negative human reaction. There is no negative consequence.

Are raping and killing that child acceptable actions because they don't produce an undesirable reaction or consequence?

Acceptable to who?

Read above.
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[QUOTE="Robbler"]One needs to take a pragmatic perspective. A matter of action and desired consequence. Cause and effect. To hell with religion. To hell with morality. Every action is associated with a reaction. Focus your actions with the intent of the desired reaction. There is no right or wrong, only action and reaction.Elephant_Couple

Let's say you're alone on an island with a 3 year old child. You rape the child and kill him. Nobody else is there. There is no negative human reaction. There is no negative consequence.

Are raping and killing that child acceptable actions because they don't produce an undesirable reaction or consequence?

The undesirable reaction is the negative feeling of Human guilt and disgust. If you don't feel that, you are an abnormal Human and are a Monster. The Human Condition is what makes us Human, NOT dogmatic religion. It is genetic, not religious.
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One needs to take a pragmatic perspective. A matter of action and desired consequence. Cause and effect. To hell with religion. To hell with morality. Every action is associated with a reaction. Focus your actions with the intent of the desired reaction. There is no right or wrong, only action and reaction.
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The proper mechanism of Capitalism is to exploit by any means necessary (telling you your performance is sub-par is a classic technique) the worker in order to pay the worker as little as possible, while getting the maximum performance from that worker. Another technique is informally promoting them and making them do work that should be paid at a higher level, but making them think they are being tested for the position all the while. It is crap, but fools that are trying to get ahead in their rat-race jobs fall for it all too often.
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I am a career procrastinator, but I always come through at the last minute. I am a last-minute kind of guy.
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I prefer cute, plump, postmodern, intelligent, and pale.
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Jackie Estacado/The Darkness from The Darkness comics/graphic novel. I enjoyed it significantly more after the video game adaptation based around the 2nd volume.

Hmm. I also really liked V from V For Vendetta. Can't think of many others...

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The Darkness and Witchblade are two that I like. I don't care for conventional superheroes in silly costumes.
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#10 Robbler
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Firearms belong locked up at firing ranges in supposedly civilized countries, but I have played with: Glock 22 308 Winchester rifle .44 mag Luger 8" revolver Derringer .45 ACP Norinco AK-47 semi-auto with modified double trigger