still think uncharted 2 is the best looking. Played it straight after i finished the campaign for gears 3. Gears 3 is definitely up there in the top 5 but not #1campzor

Gears 3 looks much better than U2, but U3 I think will outdo Gears 3 when it's released.

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I was mostly referring to MW2 and BO being the most pirated games of their respective year (4 mln+), and MW3 will be to follow.

This kind of piracy was unusal in the gaming industry prior to these.

lundy86_4

If you were referring to them, you should have stated as such. You made a sweeping statement that piracy has grown to an astronomical level. Now, if you were only referring to 2 games out of hundreds released for the system, how does that in any way prove your "astronomical level"?

Now, that 4 million + number is not entirely accurate due to it being torrent numbers. We simply do not know how many were unique downloads. That being said, it was still highly pirated.

Yes, it was unique torrents... Otherwise, it would have been stated differently in the report. You always try to spin facts around when they are cold.

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"] I'm pretty sure quite a few series have hit the $1 billion milestone. Off the top of my head, Mario, Pokemon, Final Fantasy, Halo, Grand Theft Auto, Need for Speed, Tetris, Call of Duty, FIFA, Madden, The Sims and Dragon Quest are game franchises that have all touched or crossed $1 billion in collective retail revenues. Games like Grand Theft Auto, Pokemon, Final Fantasy and FIFA often manage to gross that much in days with their successive releases. charizard1605

Um, like I said... No. They may cross that figure as a whole, but not in individual instalments... Not even GTA (which drops in price as time passes buy, and this is the reason).

Guitar Hero III reached 1 billion, but sales came from DLC and other "merchandise" for that game.

WoW also hit that easily, but figure comes from subscribers.

So far, only 2 games in history, Modern Warfare 2 and Black Ops, have hit $1 billion in retail sales, from copies sold at retailers, and this is possible because it sells so extremely much in such a short time, maintaining the high price and maximizing the gains in sales.

Gears of War 3 can't do this, because 3 million in a week is too weak for such achievement.

No, Pokémon did not sell that much, and in that case, Nintendo would have informed us.

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OK, so you admit it's an issue that barely exists on the consoles? Then I have nothing to add / disagree with.

lundy86_4

Oh for crying out loud!

How is what I said even indicative of me perpetuating the idea that it barely exists on consoles? That's not even striving to join two somewhat similar statements, it's just outright making something up and sticking it right in.

I notice how you like to move away from your initial points rather than backing them up, and attempt to guide the debate down another route (which is just as nonsensical apparently).

Now, please prove your initial statement:

Don't pretend piracy hasn't grown to an astronomical level lately. Because it should worry any developer into PC gaming.

SHATT3R3D-GLASS

I was mostly referring to MW2 and BO being the most pirated games of their respective year (4 mln+), and MW3 will be to follow.

This kind of piracy was unusal in the gaming industry prior to these.

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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

So, you can't prove an assertion you make... Again? :roll:

Nope what? Is there a continuation from "Nope." What are you saying "Nope" to?

I don't get how what you stated undermines the notion that developers are doing well on the platform. It just basically says "if CoD sold 4 million more, we'd have that much more money. NO WAI!"

lundy86_4

Nope to piracy not affecting the PC industry. That is a big nope too, right there.

Never said that :? Good God, read my posts before commenting. I even said piracy was an issue. I simply said that developers are doing great on the platform even with piracy.

Again, note how you skip over portions of my post!

OK, so you admit it's an issue that barely exists on the consoles? Then I have nothing to add / disagree with.

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Nope.

Just for instance, imagine the spike in profits for IW if all those over 4 million who downloaded it illegally in 2009 only bought the game.

lundy86_4

So, you can't prove an assertion you make... Again? :roll:

Nope what? Is there a continuation from "Nope." What are you saying "Nope" to?

I don't get how what you stated undermines the notion that developers are doing well on the platform. It just basically says "if CoD sold 4 million more, we'd have that much more money. NO WAI!"

Nope to piracy not affecting the PC industry. That is a big nope too, right there.

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[QUOTE="Bretter2200"]

Generally, that's still a lot. Especially when it's only on its third game and is not multiplatform. Hell, it makes it part of the big three. Which is Halo, CoD and Gears.

charizard1605

True, Gears has done amazing.

Only few series ever hit 1 billion, so it's still a huge milestone.

Um, like I said... No. They may cross that figure as a whole, but not in individual instalments... Not even GTA (which drops in price as time passes buy, and this is the reason).

Guitar Hero III reached 1 billion, but sales came from DLC and other "merchandise" for that game.

WoW also hit that easily, but figure comes from subscribers.

So far, only 2 games in history, Modern Warfare 2 and Black Ops, have hit $1 billion in retail sales, from copies sold at retailers, and this is possible because it sells so extremely much in such a short time, maintaining the high price and maximizing the gains in sales.

Gears of War 3 can't do this, because 3 million in a week is too weak for such achievement.

[QUOTE="SHATT3R3D-GLASS"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Piracy has been around long before MW2 was ever released. Not much has really happened (apart from some devs using new forms of DRM).

lundy86_4

Don't pretend piracy hasn't grown to an astronomical level lately. Because it should worry any developer into PC gaming.

Erm, you'd have to prove that. We don't have any solid piracy numbers (no, torrent download numbers do not count for a multitude of reasons). Piracy is an issue, but developers are doing great on the platform even with it.

Nope.

Just for instance, imagine the spike in profits for IW if all those over 4 million who downloaded it illegally in 2009 only bought the game.

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[QUOTE="Bretter2200"]

Technically, it's out selling if you consider COD at its third game. Not to mention its multi-plat. :lol:

The game is doing Halo numbers when Halo is at its sixth or seventh sequal. I can't even keep track anymore.

Bretter2200

Still, it's only COD games that can top $1 billion.

You have no idea how much MS would gloat if Gears 3 by itself topped $1 billion...

For a game to top 1 billion, it needs to sell 15 - 20 million in max a month (like COD), to ensure maximum profit before the game has been reduced in price in retail stores.

Gears 3 only sold 3 mln...

Generally, that's still a lot. Especially when it's only on its third game and is not multiplatform. Hell, it makes it part of the big three. Which is Halo, CoD and Gears.

True, Gears has done amazing.

Only few series ever hit 1 billion, so it's still a huge milestone.

[QUOTE="SHATT3R3D-GLASS"]

It's the entire franchise that grossed $1 billion.

Gears 3, while being successful, will never hit that by itself.

It's only possible for a COD game to reach $1 billion in retail sales.

Bretter2200

The game is doing Halo numbers when Halo is at its sixth or seventh sequal. I can't even keep track anymore.

Still, it's only COD games that can top $1 billion.

You have no idea how much MS would gloat if Gears 3 by itself topped $1 billion...

For a game to top 1 billion, it needs to sell 15 - 20 million in max a month (like COD), to ensure maximum profit before the game has been reduced in price in retail stores.

Gears 3 only sold 3 mln...