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#1 Stavrogin_
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[QUOTE="Stavrogin_"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] and there is the ad hominem attack, where have i made any religious based argument? and you are still dismissing any other view or valuation on a purely speculative and subjective grounds. i am sure you would accept any valuation that agreed with yours but that hardly leaves you open to others valuations. please stick to arguments without making fallacious attacks.

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You said that "we don't postulate the same things". Since my postulates were evolution and a godless universe it's only logical that i assumed that you believe in god and are against evolution. Was i wrong or?

so you assume and i am wrong? really? mr agnostic does not base his theories on religion or lack there of so you assume he is religious....

religion does not hold sway on me either way... i dont assume because there is no god life must be devoid of purpose... i dont assume because of god life is worth living. those are not the two views in this world, and many people dont even try to fit god into their equation. it is weird that a self described atheist would put so much weight in a god he does not believe could exist.

Look, the postulates are pretty simple, this is a godless universe and we are a product of evolution, from then on it's pretty simple. Why are you so stubborn, you said and i will quote you again "we don't postulate the same things". Do you disagree with these two or what, make up your mind...
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#2 Stavrogin_
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[QUOTE="Stavrogin_"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]we dont postulate the same thingssurrealnumber5

Well that's your problem isn't it? If you hold irrational beliefs such as that the judeo-christian god exists and don't believe that evolution is true, a sound theory that has been proven over and over again don't "blame me for it". You also made a mistake by saying i was suggesting that i was "the only one who can assign value".

and there is the ad hominem attack, where have i made any religious based argument? and you are still dismissing any other view or valuation on a purely speculative and subjective grounds. i am sure you would accept any valuation that agreed with yours but that hardly leaves you open to others valuations. please stick to arguments without making fallacious attacks.

You said that "we don't postulate the same things". Since my postulates were evolution and a godless universe it's only logical that i assumed that you believe in god and are against evolution. Was i wrong or? Please explain...

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#3 Stavrogin_
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we dont postulate the same thingssurrealnumber5
Well that's your problem isn't it? If you hold irrational beliefs such as that the judeo-christian god exists and don't believe that evolution is true, a sound theory that has been proven over and over again don't "blame me for it". You also made a mistake by saying i was suggesting that i was "the only one who can assign value".
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] and you also conclude that you are the only one with any value system of worth, and based on that system you deem all worthless.... that is mighty arrogant of you

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No, not really... It's not my value system, it's just an objective observation.

there is nothing objective about your observation, you may be trying to do an objective observation but you are drawing a wholly subjective conclusion.

It's actually very easy, i don't know why you have such a hard time understanding it. We postulate that this is a godless universe and we're a product of evolution which has no goal, and from then on the conclusion is pretty obvious given the size of the universe. Our lives have no intrinsic value or meaning. If you believe in god you'll disagree, but i don't bother myself with irrational beliefs.

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#5 Stavrogin_
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[QUOTE="Stavrogin_"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] wait, if perception is everything then him thinking he lives a meaningful and purposeful life does make it so. maybe not in your eyes but who are you to override his judgement with yours.

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No i'm not talking about that, in comparison with the universe we are pointless. Basically our lives can't be meaningful because even the Earth we live on is meaningless. If lets say the Earth were destroyed tomorrow nothing would change significantly. In my opinion the conclusion that our lives are pointless and without purpose is the only logical conclusion in this random and unconscious universe.

and you also conclude that you are the only one with any value system of worth, and based on that system you deem all worthless.... that is mighty arrogant of you

No, not really... It's not my value system, it's just an objective observation.

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[QUOTE="Stavrogin_"][QUOTE="maheo30"]In an atheistic world you would be correct. I'm not an atheist so I disagree. surrealnumber5

Your opinion doesn't change reality. The fact that YOU think that you live a meaningful and purposeful life doesn't mean you really do. It's all in your head...

wait, if perception is everything then him thinking he lives a meaningful and purposeful life does make it so. maybe not in your eyes but who are you to override his judgement with yours.

No i'm not talking about that, in comparison with the universe we are pointless. Basically our lives can't be meaningful because even the Earth we live on is meaningless. If lets say the Earth were destroyed tomorrow nothing would change significantly. In my opinion the conclusion that our lives are pointless and without purpose is the only logical conclusion in this random and unconscious universe.
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In an atheistic world you would be correct. I'm not an atheist so I disagree. maheo30
Your opinion doesn't change reality. The fact that YOU think that you live a meaningful and purposeful life doesn't mean you really do. It's all in your head...
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Send some Italians to "take care of it".
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Yesterday, i dreamed that i was robbing a bank and Andy Garcia came dressed as a cop and tried to stop me, i shot and killed him. Laughed my ass off when i woke up. Dreams are funny sometimes, sometimes disturbing, but you shouldn't worry about them, they're just dreams.