[QUOTE="Stavrogin_"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Al Qaeda and OBL were formed because of anti-western sentiment because of the west constant meddling in the region. Another way that could have prevented future attacks against the US could have been actually getting out of the region in the first place and stop manipulating it for the US interests.The flaw in that theory is that we are welcomed by those Middle Eastern governments. Many of these have some of the highest GPD per capita in the world. So it's not for the money either. They could ask us to pack up and leave and we would. KC_Hokie

Debating over the leaders in the ME is another topic. I would cut their funding but that doesn't have anything to do with our bases (which Al Qaeda complains about).

If you cut the funding to these leaders I wouldn't be shocked if Al Qaeda complained about that. They'll find someone anti-West to **** about. THAT's the big point.

[QUOTE="Stavrogin_"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]It also says the U.S. stopped using that airfield in April 2011. So they asked us to stop and we stopped. There goes Al Qaeda's theory.

It's not the U.S.'s fault the Middle East is filled with non-democracies and sub-par leaders. They weren't put there by us. And you have to deal with the governments that are there. You can't deal with groups that aren't in power pretending to play government.

I wouldn't be against getting rid of a lot of their aid, but many of those governments got their initial aid from the Soviets or oil money. So we didn't create them like some think.

KC_Hokie

Al Qaeda and OBL were formed because of anti-western sentiment because of the west constant meddling in the region. Another way that could have prevented future attacks against the US could have been actually getting out of the region in the first place and stop manipulating it for the US interests.The flaw in that theory is that we are welcomed by those Middle Eastern governments. Many of these have some of the highest GPD per capita in the world. So it's not for the money either. They could ask us to pack up and leave and we would. KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="Stavrogin_"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Which dictator was put into power by the U.S.?

Pakistan says one thing for the papers then asks for $ billions in private. They are the ultimate double-speak government. And with their intelligence they have a government within government.

And to my knowledge the drones don't even take off from Pakistan.

KC_Hokie

It's pretty goddamn simple from my point of view, most of the Middle East is ruled by corrupt politicians, even you can't deny that. The dictators are supported by the US, they get a lot of money and in turn have to bend over when the US wishes. Terminating their military bases would mean that they would receive no money after that. Given how they are corrupt, they can't do that. What i meant by "they don't want you there" was the PEOPLE, the average muslim doesn't want you there, most of the people don't want you there not the few people in power. That's why i said that this conflict goes way before the 9/11 attacks, in my opinion it started the minute the US began meddling in the Middle East.

It's not the U.S.'s fault the Middle East is filled with non-democracies and sub-par leaders. They weren't put there by us. And you have to deal with the governments that are there. You can't deal with groups that aren't in power pretending to play government.

I wouldn't be against getting rid of a lot of their aid, but many of those governments got their initial aid from the Soviets or oil money. So we didn't create them like some think.

[QUOTE="Stavrogin_"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Then name a country in the last 10 years that has requested the U.S. close any based AND the U.S. refused.KC_Hokie

Pakistan says one thing for the papers then asks for $ billions in private. They are the ultimate double-speak government. And with their intelligence they have a government within government.

And to my knowledge the drones don't even take off from Pakistan.

It's pretty goddamn simple from my point of view, most of the Middle East is ruled by corrupt politicians, even you can't deny that. The dictators are supported by the US, they get a lot of money and in turn have to bend over when the US wishes. Terminating their military bases would mean that they would receive no money after that. Given how they are corrupt, they can't do that. What i meant by "they don't want you there" was the PEOPLE, the average muslim doesn't want you there, most of the people don't want you there not the few people in power. That's why i said that this conflict goes way before the 9/11 attacks, in my opinion it started the minute the US began meddling in the Middle East.

Then name a country in the last 10 years that has requested the U.S. close any based AND the U.S. refused.KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="Stavrogin_"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"] Al Qaeda attacked the U.S. first and the Taliban protected them.KC_Hokie

Al Qaeda attacked the U.S. first and the Taliban protected them.KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="Stavrogin_"][QUOTE="RAGINGxPONY"]

Yeah so the 4000+ troops that sacrificed their lives can die for nothing. No thanks.

We have come this far, we need to first make the Afghan Army a competent army so that they can continue to fight the Taliban without us. Leave some American bases in Afghanastain and continue to help train the Afghan Army past the time when America ends it's combat mission, much like Iraq. That's what's going to happen, and people like you are ridiculous to think we should just pull out all troops overnight. That would be disgraceful to all the NATO troops that have sacrificed their lives for the cause.

sSubZerOo

Don't forget the millions of Iraqis that suffered during and after the war..

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

I really think Obama should do as advertised and have the troops return home. NO point being there at this time. Only bad things can happen.

RAGINGxPONY

Yeah so the 4000+ troops that sacrificed their lives can die for nothing. No thanks.

We have come this far, we need to first make the Afghan Army a competent army so that they can continue to fight the Taliban without us. Leave some American bases in Afghanastain and continue to help train the Afghan Army past the time when America ends it's combat mission, much like Iraq. That's what's going to happen, and people like you are ridiculous to think we should just pull out all troops overnight. That would be disgraceful to all the NATO troops that have sacrificed their lives for the cause.