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#1 Stavrogin_
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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Stavrogin_"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]See my post above about results. And of course intent matters. And I don't care about "symbols". I was talking about civilians, not what building symbolize.

So 9/11 is justified? Their main intent was not killing civilians so that should make it okay by your logic. No...

How do you deduce that? And I DID say that results matter!

It's pretty simple, the sole purpose of the people that hit the Pentagon and WTC was not civilian casualties, ergo by your logic the people who died on 9/11 were collateral damage.
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#2 Stavrogin_
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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]See my post above about results. And of course intent matters. And I don't care about "symbols". I was talking about civilians, not what building symbolize.

So 9/11 is justified? Their main intent was not killing civilians so that should make it okay by your logic. No...
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[QUOTE="Rhazakna"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]How is it arbitrary will if the strikes are against an organization that has attacked the US?Engrish_Major
By that logic 9/11 was justified because of American foreign policy. The crimes of a few does not justify mass slaughter.

I would never condone the targeted killing of thousands of civilians as the primary target. I'm not sure why you're trying to make this parallel, but it doesn't work.

Really, so the difference is intent not the result itself? If your intent was to kill militants and ended up killing a bunch of civilians your intent justifies the slaughter? Heck, despite what mainstream media is saying, the people killed on 9/11 were collateral damage by the same logic. The Twin Towers were one of the tallest buildings back then and a symbol of American economic might, the Pentagon a symbol of military might and the White House a symbol of America's political power. No conspiracy theory here just common sense, don't you think if Al Qaeda's sole purpose was civilian casualties and they were smart enough to orchestrate such a complex attack it would've occurred to them that lets say a stadium was a better target.

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[QUOTE="Stavrogin_"]I think you should really read the part about "arbitrary will" once again. You got it wrong.Engrish_Major
How is it arbitrary will if the strikes are against an organization that has attacked the US?

How is it not arbitrary will when they're policing the world? It's not just about the drone attacks, it's the whole goddamn foreign policy of the US.

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#5 Stavrogin_
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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Stavrogin_"] Oh really?

Really. They're actually quite targeted. Carpet bombing is arbitrary. Nuclear blasts are arbitrary. Suicide bombing is arbitrary. Targeted strikes based upon intelligence using guided missiles is not arbitrary.

I think you should really read the part about "arbitrary will" once again. You got it wrong.
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#6 Stavrogin_
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[QUOTE="Rhazakna"][QUOTE="Blaze787"]

The unfortunate nature of war is that, sometimes, civilians get killed. For all the advances in technology and precision guided weaponry, it's still unavoidable. The alternative is to sit at home and let people walk all over you.

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Yeah, people will walk all over you if you don't go around inflicting your arbitrary will on other nations. You'll get walked on if you don't kill children. It amazes me how mass killing is more accepted than killing on a smaller scale.

I don't see the US's actions in Pakistan as arbitrary.

Oh really?
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I would change the title to "Most people lack common sense..." Well, that's my experience at least.
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#8 Stavrogin_
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Boxing is still the better sport.
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#9 Stavrogin_
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I disagree with that because atheism has no ideology, it is just the disbelief in god and that's it. For example not all atheists are humanists.
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#10 Stavrogin_
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Couldn't find any new pictures since i just installed a new os, but i managed to dig up this 5 year old high quality picture out of my old hi5 account. I'm basically the same now bastard now just about 5-6cm taller and 22 years old.

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Nice pc my sister had eh? Ancient stuff...