Just because there is lots of planets in the universe doesn't mean that there is complex life in the universe besides usStealthMonkey4

it doesn't matter if it could support life (although most can't) as they are just bare and have no life. We will never find any other complex life simply because there isn't any, when scientists do discover complex life, I'll admit I'm wrong.StealthMonkey4

No it's still thousands of planets... We've checked thousands of planets and found basically nothing to suggest complex life. We will never find other complex life because there isn't any. Just because the universe is large doesn't mean there is automatically complex life. StealthMonkey4

Of course atheists have the right to publicly denounce religion in the same ways theists promote it. I don't think that's ever been a point of contention...chessmaster1989

G-d created and shaped evolution to creat us is the obvious answer, yes I believe he is a most conscius being.charlesdarwin55

Sciemtists have not found any life any more complex than microscopic orgamisms on every planet we've checked...StealthMonkey4

Can't say. U can't deny there's something very special with humans compared to other lifeforms we know of by just having this discussion. I'll wait to decide until we explored more of the universe.

I think I believe more in reincarnation that ultimately leads to a sort of heaven. If there is a hell I believe it's more of a purgatory where you spend a limited time to repent or learn or whatever.charlesdarwin55

How are we not special? We are beyond all the animals on Earth. How is our significance measured anyway? Just because the universe is big we are insignificant?Omni-Wrath

[QUOTE="Stavrogin_"][QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"]wow that was one of the most narrow minded things! It's like putting all people of faith in the same group saying they believe exactly the same...charlesdarwin55

[QUOTE="Stavrogin_"][QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"]wow that was one of the most narrow minded things! It's like putting all people of faith in the same group saying they believe exactly the same...-Tish-

wow that was one of the most narrow minded things! It's like putting all people of faith in the same group saying they believe exactly the same...charlesdarwin55

I wonder how anyone could look at that and think there is no God.maheo30

That's actually pretty easy, first you look at the universe and you see it's magnitude then you look back and read the bible that says god created all this for man, sure it makes sense if you think the earth is flat and the sun evolves around it, with our planet being the center of the universe. But it doesn't make sense if you realize how vast the universe is and how insignificant our planet is.

Second, you like at the wonder of life and you say "wow, this is amazing, someone must've created this" but then the theory of evolution comes along and spoils everything and third you say, the chances of life flourishing are so small that there must be a god, but then you look at the vastness of the universe once again and realize that there are about 50 million planets on our galaxy only, that are at the right distance from the center of the galaxy so some of them may support life and suddenly the chances are much bigger. I can go on for a long time so i'll cut to the chase by paraphrasing Hawkings, god was not needed to create the universe. That's how i look at the universe and think there is no god.

I also wonder how, if God doesn't exist, why anyone would care. It's not amazing or beautiful but just a bunch of atoms bouncing around. And eventually it will be gone. So what.maheo30

Religion was made to give some sort of meaning to an otherwise pointless life, but heck, if you believe in god so dearly who am i to convince otherwise. I would certainly failed even if i tried so i'll just stop here.