[QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"]

I dont play video games for fun. I play them to argue about them on the internet.

Along with fighting over which game is graphics king, conparing screenshots of trees and rocks, and shadows, even though the two games being compared BOTH look like garbage and there are games out right now that look better than both.

(not srs)

eboyishere

might just have to make this my sig.......

For the people whining about "why was this topic made"..... yes im sure this is thread took so much time out of your life that you could have spent reading the dozens of "Graffix king", "Gears vs Uncharted", and "Xbox live subscribtion fee" and "ZOMG we got so many exclusives" threads that fill up the front page every day :roll:

[QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"][QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

Why was this thread created? are we suppose to discuss something? is there something here that we didn't know by now? is TC some sort of a wise man with infinite knowledge that has come to open our eyes???

:?

Willy105

Uncharted 3 does not have competition because Uncharted 3 is not the graphics king to begin with.

Nintendo did not lose money on the Gamecube. You were wrong before you even started.

Moving on....

Willy105

Why was this thread created? are we suppose to discuss something? is there something here that we didn't know by now? is TC some sort of a wise man with infinite knowledge that has come to open our eyes???

:?

madsnakehhh

I dont play video games for fun. I play them to argue about them on the internet.

Along with fighting over which game is graphics king, conparing screenshots of trees and rocks, and shadows, even though the two games being compared BOTH look like garbage and there are games out right now that look better than both.

(not srs)

Nintendo did not create the Wii with the intention of trying to be jesus and ressurect the industry, or revolutionize gaming, or anything like that. That is nothing more than PR talk. The Wii exists because Nintendo lost money on the gamecube after getting a mighty fine pimp hand from the PS2 and Xbox last gen, and they wanted to focus on profit this gen. So nintendo higher ups sat down and thought of a way to essentially take a gamecube, repackage it as something else, and sell it for a higher price tag, while manufacturing costs stay roughly the same.

Developers have gone on record saying that the Wii is basically 2 gamecubes taped together. But how would they accomplish a task like this? How would they market last gen hardware to people and convince them to buy it without raising red flags? Well, they came up with a gimick to set it apart from everything else.

The Wiimote was their way to get people to pay next gen prices for last gen hardware, while keeping manufacturing costs dirt cheap, and keeping a high profit margin right out the gate. That way it was pure profit for them. They needed a new revenue stream, and the Wii was a godsend to them.

As far as Kinect and PSmove, those are Microsoft and Sony realizing what nintendo was doing and simply capitalizing. Kinect and Move were not trying to revolutionize anything either, they exist because Microsoft and Sony wanted a new revenue stream as well.

A better example that I can come up with is Sony and the PSPgo. I used to laugh at people who bash the PSPgo and call it a failure because they just dont get it. The PSPgo was not meant to kill the ipod touch, or break sales records or cure cancer or anything. The PSPgo was meant to create another revenue stream for sony. They basically took the PSP which was selling for $160 at the time, cut the manufacturing costs roughtly in half (made up figure for the sake of arguement, but it was alot cheaper), yet at the same time adding $90 dollars to the price.

So lets recap. Sony released a STRIPPED DOWN system that cost them ALOT less to make than the original PSP, yet it had a $90 higher pricetag. How would they ever convince people to buy this? Well, they tacked on a gimick to market it of course. That gimick being that the games were download only. The only difference between the Wii and the PSPgo is that Nintendo was more serious about it than Sony was. Nintendo made the Wii their #1 priority and showered it with marketing dollars, whilst Sony just wanted whatever extra scraps of revenue they could get.

How the heck s the Wiimote a gimmick if certain devs like HVS,Ubi Montrealand Prope were able to take full advantage of the controller's motion capabiliies. It's a gimmick in the sense thatdevs just tacked Wiimote capabilities into anything thry created without utilizing the controller.

super600

All you just told me is that certain developers made the best out of the tools that were provided to them. Nintendo was not trying to be jesus and ressurect the industry, or revolutionize gaming, or any of that PR talk. They made the Wii because they lost money on the gamecube after getting a mighty fine pimp hand from the PS2 and Xbox last gen, and they wanted to focus on profit this gen. So nintendo higher ups sat down and thought of a way to essentially take a gamecube, repackage it as something else, and sell it for a higher price tag, while manufacturing costs stay roughly the same. Developers have gone on record saying that the Wii is basically 2 gamecubes taped together. But how would they accomplish a task like this? How would they convince people to buy a console with such cheap hardware without wondering why? Well, they came up with a gimick to set it apart from everything else.

The Wiimote was their way to get people to pay next gen prices for last gen hardware, while keeping manufacturing costs dirt cheap, and keeping a high profit margin right out the gate. That way it was pure profit for them. They needed a new revenue stream, and the Wii was a godsend to them.

As far as Kinect and PSmove, those are Microsoft and Sony realizing what nintendo was doing and simply capitalizing. Kinect and Move are not trying to revolutionize anything either, they exist because Microsoft and Sony wanted a new revenue stream as well.

Another close example I can come up with is Sony with the PSPgo. This is also why I laugh at people who bash the PSPgo and call it a failure. They just dont get it. The PSPgo was not meant to kill the ipod touch, or break sales records or anything. The PSPgo was a method for sony to create another revenue stream. They basically took the PSP which was selling for $160 at the time, cut the manufacturing costs roughtly in half (made up figure for the sake of arguement), yet at the same time adding $90 dollars to the price. So lets recap. They released a STRIPPED DOWN system that cost them ALOT less to make, yet it had a $90 higher pricetag. How would they ever convince people to buy this? Well, they tacked on the gimick of the games being download only. The only difference between the Wii and the PSPgo is that Nintendo was more serious about it than Sony was.

[QUOTE="jhcho2"]

I'm sure the Wii didn't sell over 60 million units just relying on Nintendo loyalists alone. A large portion of them got it because it looked fun and interesting. They bought it, had a bit of fun, then left it aside. They weren't exactly gamers at heart, just a curious bunch of consumers who wanted to check out something new.

Will these group of people actually repeat that inquisitive purchase and get themselves a Wii U? Will these people say "I have a Wii. I don't even touch it anymore. But that Wii U looks interesting."? If so, it's got to be a revelation in the gaming industry. You don't actually need that many games. Generating curiousity alone will do the job, and release a new console after 4 years.

I have a gut feeling that Nintendo may not be able to cash in on the Wii U like they did with the Wii.

Coolyfett

The Wiimote was created becauseNintendo could not compete efficiently in the hardcore market, sothe higher ups at nintendo sat at a conference table and came up with a gimmick they could use to sell more consoles, after losing so much on the gamecube. They needed a way to sell people last gen hardware, but attach a gimick to it so that people think it is new. That way, they could put a higher price tag on it, whilst keeping manufacturing costs dirt cheap, and keep a high profit margin.

Killzone 3/Crysis > Gears 3 > UC 3. KZ & Gears were pretty much finished games when the betas released. I'm sure UC 3 can match up.Floppy_Jim