Yes it is ladies and gentlemen. But mind you, you dont know or havent witnessed a true troll if you havent read several youtube comments.
A troll is: a person that may have no clue about the issue at hand or may not even bothered to have an opinion; and yet he/she will comment by expressing the most bigotry and hatred filled opinion just to stir controversy and get into your nervous system. A troll rejoices when you get mad and tired explaining as logically as you can why he/she fails in logic.
The troll which I will present to you is not the worst I found there - by far. In fact you is not really a troll; just an ignorant and biased person, But I will call him a troll for convenience. I will not doubt that I had fun "trolling" him back but there was no serious discussion going on anyway. It was amusing for me, I hope it is for you too.
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The topic was if the acceptance of homosexuality brings the downfall of societies - as my troll-friend advocated so firmly. The discussion began when I brought up the Greeks and the Romans.
So without further delay I present to you the "civilised" conversation we had via PMs on youtube. Ridiculous, stupid, glitchy Glitchspot wont let me put the convo in spoilers so there you have it taking up huge space in my blog. Thank you Glitchspot once again. :)
***WARNING***
None of the below are made up. I am copying and pasting them "as is" from my inbox and outbox. The first PM is his, as he transferred the discussion from the comments section to private messaging. Message title: "LOL" ( :roll: )
If there are swear-words I'll censor them. Other offensive opinions though cant be censored, so be aware that what you are reading comes from a troll.
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TROLL:
Thank you, but i majored in history and you have NO idea in what your talking about.
Homosexuality is a BIPRODUCT of a broken down and increasingly immoral society in every case in the history of the world, especially Rome and Greece. Thats a FACT. If you deny this, then you are only fooling yourself. Must be nice to live in such a dream world.
ME:
You major in History and yet all you have to say to support this, distoriting of reality, view of yours are unsubstanciated rants.
I offer you examples and you offer me rants and bare assertions.
Way to honour your major. I think you are letting your religious bias affect your judgment on the matter and that is not a safe guide. ;)
TROLL:
God's wisdom and insight supercedes man's anyday of the week.
It is no surprise that extreme Socialist/Liberal colleges do not point out the obvious within the destruction of a society and the biproduct of homosexuality because the colleges are already godless and perverted enough to not teach any truth whatsoever.
ME:
Then why do you major History? And why did you bring it up? In order to flaunt your credibility which you dont have to begin with? You obviously dont agree with what you are being taught, therefore its redundant of you to tell me that you major in History and therefore hypocritical.
If it is obvious you would be able to demonstrate it with arguments. So can you?
TROLL:
I already told you, get off of your behind, go to the library and pick up a history book on Rome, Greece, Sodom, Egypt, and you will plainly see the coorelation of immorality and homosexuality during collapse.
Rome is the easiest. The population of the United States is so close in comparison to the Roman collapse it is scary.
1. People in Rome became fascinated with sports and Carnivals (pleasure) that they ignored the collapse of their society while it started happening.
2. Illiteracy spiked
3. A focus on keeping the borders secure was not a priority, and eventually invaders (foreigners) destroyed the city.
4. Immorality was running rampant, homosexuality, corruption in government.
5. Killing became accepted entertainment
6. The government went bankrupt funding foreign wars and imperialism.
If you cant even understand these facts when reading a history book, then there is no sense in me even talking to someone not able to understand basic education.
ME:
The fact that you link all those 6 to homosexuality is disturbing. The correlation is only existant in your head. Not to mention that correlation does not equal causation which makes your theory even more far fetched and absurd.
You cant just throw some negative aspects and "magically" connect them to whatever you want to label as guilty of their existense. ;)
As for modern examples: Netherlands are the most gay-friendly country and they are just fine. Far better than the USA.
Twisting facts, according to your distorted perception is far worse than not having knowledge of those facts; facts that I havent heard for the first time.
So next time, come back with existant connections and not connections you pulled out of nowhere.
TROLL:
blah blah blah
You are obvously not educated and were never taught by anyone intelligent enough to show you basic coorelations between history and today.
You are just another youtube R***RD
Any SMART professor or educator will easily tell you true history.
"The correlation is only existant in your head"
Really? Why dont you buy a book on the thousands of books detailing this comparison.
Stupid foreigner.
ME:
So now whatever that doesnt go according to your distorted perception is "blah blah blah". How convenient....
And you resort to insults I see...
When you are through with ad hominem attacks I'd like you to respond on the Netherlands issue.
Yes the correlation exists only in your head. If you propose a correlation you have to support it with valid arguments which you then have to articulate. Thats what a SMART professor or educator would teach you to do. You didnt. You just drew a conclusion out of thin air.
And, lastly, do not respond to me if you are going to insult me.
TROLL:
Netherlands= Godless Socialist Degenerates.
Also, you are obviously a foreigner with no real idea of how America works or was ever taught anything real about history from your socialist and politically correct cIassooms. LOL
Once again, im not sure if you understand english that well? But for people who actually know history, it is a known fact of the self destructive coorelation between rome and the U.S.. That includes immoral gays.
So stick to subjects you actually know about
ME:
Netherlands as a country is thriving. Its doing just fine.
If I am foreigner and have no idea about the USA so are you to Netherlandsand therefore you cant have an opinion on it, is that right? Or is that another double standard you apply?
My English is just fine if not better than yours.
If its an obvious fact you would be able to demonstrate it with arguments and what not. You failed to do so thus your opinion is a mere baseless assertion.
Again you make more absurd connections without backing them up in any way. Why do you expect someone to take you seriously? Just because you profess to be majoring in History? You have said yourself that you'd prefer God;s word over any lecture on History. Thus you are a hypocrite, because all you seem to adhere to is what is in the Bible and not what is being taught in history cIasses anywhere in the world.
The only thing you have demonstrated is your bias. Biased people cannot have a clear view no matter how educated they are.
TROLL:
What you socialists do not understand because you are not allowed to understand, is that there is truth and non-truth. Not everyone is right. Man's logic is weak and poor. God's logic is beyond our understanding and perfect. You are choosing to follow a lower method of understanding while i choose to follow Gods perfect knowledge. That is the difference between us.
P.S. your english is not that good.
ME:
If you adhere to the Bible then why did you try to bring up historical "facts" that are not even in the Bible?
I guess you tried to seem unbiased and that your views are substanciated, but when you failed you turned back to the good ol' Bible.
Hypocrisy is easy to detect.
So far you have made connections that dont exist, you were a hypocrite by applying double standards, connecting my disagreeing with you to some sort of political view that I have while you dont even know me (right now you said I am a socialist, a few messages ago you told me I am a liberal etc etc), then you insulted me.
Seriously your repertoire of "arguments" is astonishingly diverse.
But you see, in a mature discussion, diversity is not the target; validity is. ;)
And you failed to follow that simple rule many times.
PS: Yet another insult which isnt even true. Nice try. I suggest you mature.
TROLL:
Every historical fact that i brought up is true. Even 3rd graders here are taught that about Rome. LOL What do you teach third graders in the Netherlands? Listen to the government? haha.
It is funny that you do not even know basic history.
Historical facts do not have to be backed up by only the Bible if they are documented.
Why is this so hard for you to understand?
and when i said you a were socialist, i was pointing out your handicap because it prevents you from knowing truth.
ME:
Like I said you made inexistant connections when referring to those facts.
Similar to this:
"My back yard has no sun! Therefore its they gay neighbour's fault!!!"
Yes as silly as this indeed. The back yard not having sun is a fact, but the correlation to the neighbour being gay is plain stupid. How much more plainly do I have to explain it? Unless you are a 3rd grader yourself.
I think you have to at least decide. Do you trust the history lessons of your major? You told me that they dont teach the truths and yet, you reference them.
The Bible can back up too few historical facts that are relevant to the topic we are discussing. Learn to use sources well. You seem to fail there too.
What is so hard to understand you ask. Well when a person spouts mere assertions based on biased views which stem from a strict and literal interpretation of the Bible, who then goes on to act like a hypocrite, resorts to insults and ad hominem attacks, there is one thing that is very clear and understandable:
That you cant have a say on a matter, if you are this biased. Period.
Which is another ad hominem attack. Do you know what that is or should I translate it?
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And here the "conversation" ended with him not responding to me (I am glad he didnt).
Oh and did I mention he is a Christian fundamentalist?
Yes, 2 out of 3 of his comments in the comment section was Bible verses. :roll: It gave me a familiar feeling.....
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