[QUOTE="TheAbbeFaria"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] I assumed it was a rhetorical question...there is no way that one could prove that the Gov. did/did not orchestrate the economic downturn -at least not w/o extensive resources to dig up the facts -so inn lieu of that, we are left with only reason and logicrawsavonThere are many things we can't prove including conspiracies, but that doesn't mean we should ignore them or desist from debating them. Furthermore, one can debate this particular point with reason and logic, so I do not understand your meaning here, unless you think the dialogs between Socrates and Thrasymachus were completely bereft of logic and reasoning? Neither you or I are either Socrates or Thrasymachus -but lacking any factual evidence all we have is what makes logical sense -IMO there is no logic in the Gov. causing the downturn -my side of the argument is evident, if you would like to give some logical reasons for your side so that we can debate, proceed I never said we were Socrates and Thrasymachus. Since both of them discussed and debated similar things in the Republic, considered one of the most important dialogs of Ancient Greek literature, I don't see why we cannot without losing both reason and logic. Furthermore, you don't think there is any logic in the government causing the downturn? Have you not read the Prince? The Republic? The Federalist Papers? Governments try these things to take more power from the people and look at what has happened. The government has grown greatly since this downturn has happened.
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