[QUOTE="Democratik"] and its very possible that the education they receive would be awful. the problem with education is that our taxes arent being used for it enough. public schools all over the world are great (not implying every nation though) but ours is awful. you directly benefit from public education, regardless if you goto it. yes you are responsible for it, and you will always pay for it. when you grow up, you will understand. Public schools outside of the United States are fairly difficult, and for some reason they are applauded for that, but their students are not much more intelligent than our own. One of the problems facing Germany, is the enormous number of students who forget all that they learn. From what I've read and heard, they only retain 10% of all that they learn in school. That's not good. Furthermore, the purpose of public education is the same across the globe -- attend college, get a degree, join the workforce. Emerson spoke of this problem to the graduating class of the Divinity School at Harvard, when he said, "An education for the express purpose of attaining a job will lead to despair."
If there was no religion then there'd be no concept of gods; if there would be no concept of gods then people wouldn't know what to wish for (or to); if nobody knew what to wish for then they wouldn't wish for it. So no.
Theokhoth
There was a time, when religions did not exist, when the concept of gods did not exist. If there were no religion, then man would find a deity to worship, thus creating religion.
I'd have to go with Julius Caesar. Guy conquered Gaul then went on to win a civil war against Pompey and the senate, quite a lot for one guy to do. Alexander owes A LOT to his dad who built the army he used, setup the empire he'd start out with, and was already conquering before Alexander took over.
gun65
How many deaths were required before Julius Caesar conquered Gaul? We speak ill of men like Hitler and we speak ill of tyrants, but then we speak highly of people like Julius Caesar who are no different.
[QUOTE="TheAbbeFaria"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"] You specifically claimed I have no experience without even knowing me or asking for me to provide such information (which I am not willing to). I don't have civilized discussions with people who attack me on their first reply and makes baseless claims._en1gma_
I have not attacked you in any way. I have made an assumption of which I stand by wholeheartedly. Also, you're grossly misrepresenting me because I have not attacked you, and I have only made one baseless claim, an assumption on my part.Your first reply came across as extremely hostile. Perhaps it was hostile, so what? It makes but very little difference to me.
[QUOTE="_en1gma_"] You specifically claimed I have no experience without even knowing me or asking for me to provide such information (which I am not willing to). I don't have civilized discussions with people who attack me on their first reply and makes baseless claims. I have not attacked you in any way. I have made an assumption of which I stand by wholeheartedly. Also, you're grossly misrepresenting me because I have not attacked you, and I have only made one baseless claim, an assumption on my part.
[QUOTE="harashawn"] I fail to see how that is a proper decision. _en1gma_
Apparently being rational allows morality to be blown completely out of the picture. We all get our morals from different societal constructs. I do not consider an embryo a person. But she does, and that's all that really matters.
[QUOTE="TheAbbeFaria"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"] Who are we to do such? People with experiences and the ability to rationalize and make proper decisions._en1gma_
There are those who can do the same that completely disagree with your sentiment that she should abort the child. The ability to rationalize is not so important as wisdom, which comes from experience of which you have none. Thanks for stating the obvious. You have no idea as to what I have experienced...and now I'm starting to wonder if you are just trolling.... I have not assumed that I know the whole of your experiences, I have just assumed that you don't have experience in this particular field, and this you have not denied which only reinforces this. If we cannot have a civilized discussion without you copping out by calling me a troll, then perhaps civilized discussions aren't your cup of tea. . .
[QUOTE="_en1gma_"] The difference is that we have experiences and the ability to perceive the universe. It is JUST a chunk of cells and that's it._en1gma_
It has the potential to experience and perceive the universe. Who are we to deny it's chance at life in order to simply avoid inconvenience? Who are we to do such? People with experiences and the ability to rationalize and make proper decisions. There are those who can do the same that completely disagree with your sentiment that she should abort the child. The ability to rationalize is not so important as wisdom, which comes from experience of which you have none.
[QUOTE="TheAbbeFaria"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"] A DESIRED career and financial stability DOES lead to happiness. If you disagree, I am just going to have to question your sanity. Such along with stable marriage is good for raising a prospective child.bloodling
There are quite a number of people who went to college to attain a desired career and financial stability, the likes of which their parents did not have, and they are not happy people. Furthermore, you speak of the necessity of stability to raise the child, but you have failed reference the fact that working mothers accounts for the largest jump in family instability. As both parents are working, there is less and less time devoted to raising them.
What makes you excited and proud of yourself doesn't mean that it "leads to happiness". Sure, if I had a lot of money I would be excited and proud of myself, but I'm very happy right now even though I'm broke...
It seems as though you're agreeing with me. I have very little money, actually, I only have $5 bucks and I'm happier than most who have much more, certainly happier than that Maddoff guy. :P
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