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#1 TheAbbeFaria
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[QUOTE="_en1gma_"] I am actually laughing at you right now. Get off your high horse. I chunk of cells is not a child._en1gma_

A child is a "chunk of cells", I am a "chunk of cells", you are a "chunk of cells", we are all "chunks of cells"; and chunks of human cells for that matter.

The difference is that we have experiences and the ability to perceive the universe. It is JUST a chunk of cells and that's it.

It has the same potential as the rest of us, and she has already decide to bear the child, so that's not all it will be thankfully,
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#2 TheAbbeFaria
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[QUOTE="_en1gma_"] I am actually laughing at you right now. Get off your high horse. I chunk of cells is not a child.

If you are laughing at me because I do not share your sentiments, then perhaps it is you who needs to get off your high horse. Also, the chunk of cells that you refer to will become a child, should she chose to bear it. It makes no difference in what state it exists presently, for I'm concerned with how it will exist after it is born, whether it will exist first, and should they chose to adopt or raise it.
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#3 TheAbbeFaria
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[QUOTE="_en1gma_"] A DESIRED career and financial stability DOES lead to happiness. If you disagree, I am just going to have to question your sanity. Such along with stable marriage is good for raising a prospective child.

There are quite a number of people who went to college to attain a desired career and financial stability, the likes of which their parents did not have, and they are not happy people. Furthermore, you speak of the necessity of stability to raise the child, but you have failed reference the fact that working mothers accounts for the largest jump in family instability. As both parents are working, there is less and less time devoted to raising them.
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#4 TheAbbeFaria
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[QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="TheAbbeFaria"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"] It is natural that the proper environment for raising a baby is one with stable parents. I don't find my advice disgusting at all and I am not even talking to mother right now. I would handle it completely different if I were talking to her. I'm sorry if I offended you for being realistic. You are not in a position to ask me of my past experiences. Please respect my privacy.

You are not in a position to tell the OP what he should do, nor are you in any position to advise his girlfriend to have an abortion. You do not know them, and you do not have any experience to draw from. Your words are just empty, and you're just giving lip-service to the abortion cause, which only seems to undermine your advice even more.

Oh the irony... I am merely discussing this with him and trying to help him out. I never claimed I knew them. Why are you replying to me as if you know where I'm coming from? Back off. Done talking to you.

No one, including myself, is in any position to tell the OP what he should do, not irony but hypocrisy, but you especially are guilty of this because you're advocating for the death of a child.
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#5 TheAbbeFaria
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[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="redstorm72"] Your right, the emotional ramifications of her aborting the child and having a bright future where she can live well and take care of her future children properly will be so much worse than having the child and having to leave school and live the rest of her life in a terrible dead end job wondering what could have been._en1gma_

Having a child while your future is "bright" does not negate ending the first baby's life FYI. In fact, what defines what's bright? Wealth? Look at the suicide rates of wealthy people. Wealth =/= happiness. If anything, having other kids down the road would ADD to the loss.

What's bright? Going to college, pursuing the career and life that will make you happy, being financially stable, etc. Where the hell did wealth come into this? She should have a kid when she is ready for one. Period.

If she wasn't ready for a kid, then she shouldn't have had sex. Being a hedonist is not a good replacement for being virtuous, nor does a career, degree, and being financially stable invariably lead to happiness. When she is 40 and has all those things, will she be happy never knowing how her first born will have grown up?
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#6 TheAbbeFaria
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[QUOTE="_en1gma_"] It is natural that the proper environment for raising a baby is one with stable parents. I don't find my advice disgusting at all and I am not even talking to mother right now. I would handle it completely different if I were talking to her. I'm sorry if I offended you for being realistic. You are not in a position to ask me of my past experiences. Please respect my privacy.

You are not in a position to tell the OP what he should do, nor are you in any position to advise his girlfriend to have an abortion. You do not know them, and you do not have any experience to draw from. Your words are just empty, and you're just giving lip-service to the abortion cause, which only seems to undermine your advice even more.
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#7 TheAbbeFaria
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[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="MaddenBowler10"] The romantic involvement has always been there since the beginning, she still hasn't kicked that out of the question but she could very well be doing that by getting space between me and her in the past few weeks although she has been busy with school. I'm gonna try to talk to her one of these days and get some clearer answers on what she wants out of me instead of just assuming.Thessassin

Indeed. I'm not saying my advice is perfect either, but other users are insisting on you being selfish. Do not listen to them. For you and her's sake, and for the baby's sake.

he should be selfish for his sake, after all its in his best interest. and there is no baby yet.

He should be empathetic and compassionate not self-serving and egotistical. If he truly loves her, he will stay with her through thick and thin. He's already decide to do thus, and I applaud him for that.
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#8 TheAbbeFaria
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[QUOTE="MaddenBowler10"][QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"] you are sounding like trick. Help if the "father" doesnt want to be there but if he does, you leave. You planning on staying around most likely wont end well, especially if the father wants to take care of the kid. But I guess you will have to wait and see or was this already addressed?_en1gma_

I'm not even gonna barge in on the child even if he's not there, she already told me she wants to do this alone, I just told her I'll be there to help her when she needs it and that im in full support of her decisions. I just want her to realize that even though things will change, that it doesn't need to affect us in anyway since it isn't our child..even tho it will

The fact is that it is not good for the baby to be raised by one parent...especially not by an immature one. The best way you can help her is to bring her to reality and make her realize that getting rid of the baby is the most rational course of action.

I think my mother can testify to the contrary, as can many mothers and fathers who've had to raise children alone. You're advice is disgusting, and you are in no position to tell a prospective mother to kill her offspring. I'd really like to know where your experience comes from in this regard.
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#9 TheAbbeFaria
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[QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="MaddenBowler10"] She already said she will not have an abortion and I support her decision, I'm just telling her some things so things will be fine for us and that nothing has to change because of this possibility of a baby.MaddenBowler10

Goodness, man...you need to accept the fact that everything will change once a baby comes into her life. This kind of thought is what caused the pregnancy in the first place.

Why do I have to accept that? I KNOW things will change even before the baby is born, but it doesn't mean i should completely give up on her and stuff. I know she isn't going to want a relationship while she has these things to deal with, but she might appreciate that I'm gonna be there for her when she needs the help and that's always good for the future for us. No point in telling her "well ur pregnant with another guy's baby so im gonna have to leave u"

I want to give it a chance, I like this girl a lot and she means a lot to me and has been basically my life for a while now..no point in ditching her cuz her ex got her pregnant

I think you should just have this topic locked. Things of this nature should be kept within your circle of acquaintances, not to be put out there for thousands of people to see. In many circumstances, your family and your friends offer the best advice -- go to them.
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#10 TheAbbeFaria
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I do not champion those who developed faster, easier means to wipe out large swathes of people. Many of the generals mentioned thus far, Julius Caesar, Alexander the Great, Napoleon, ect, killed enormous numbers of people that posed no threat to them, but which inhabited lands that these generals wanted to take for the express purpose of expanding borders.