Nobody else picked up on the TC's obvious satire? litewo

There was no satire at all. I just consider some RPGs to be boring and overly complex.

Those are RTSs. You can't really compare those to RPGs (well, RPGs developed for the PC anyway) as they serve another purpose in regard to content and gameplay.DennisKumfi

Yeah but IMO there is no need to make RPGs needlessly complex. IMO, too many complexities really hinder the gameplay of RPGs. Oblivion did an excellent job of making a traditional RPG (not hack and slash) which is neither too complex nor too simple. Oblivion is just a incredible game.

On the other hand, I think most hack and slash RPGs, even though they might be a little shallow, are far far more fun to play than a borefest like BGII, Fallout2, or Planescape Torment. But that's just my opinion.

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Yea after hearing day in and day out of all the praise baldurs gate 2 always gets, I decided to try to demo a few months back and I didn't like it for the same reason you stated, I didn't like having to keep on managing my other team so frequenly. And then when you find a chest, ya have to distribute the contents to the appropriate characters one after the other. It gets really tedious fast :?

Neverwinter Nights didn't have this, and it's one of my favorite pc games ever. But some people like the team management, different strokes for different folks I guess.

I have yet to play fallout, and I keep hearing praise about it, so I'm gonna try it out this summer hopefully.

NEOSPARKING

Neverwinter Nights was ok from what I remember, but it was still rather complex. I don't remember how much voice-acting it had. I haven't played NWN2 yet.

Har.......har.......har........

Anyways, complexity is ok if it's done for the right reasons in a good way. I enjoyed Warcraft 3, AOE2, and the AOE3:TAD Demo, although they are slightly complex, but not in a boring way. And the complexities of these games greatly improve the gameplay.

Yea after hearing day in and day out of all the praise baldurs gate 2 always gets, I decided to try to demo a few months back and I didn't like it for the same reason you stated, I didn't like having to keep on managing my other team so frequenly. And then when you find a chest, ya have to distribute the contents to the appropriate characters one after the other. It gets really tedious fast :?

Neverwinter Nights didn't have this, and it's one of my favorite pc games ever. But some people like the team management, different strokes for different folks I guess.

I have yet to play fallout, and I keep hearing praise about it, so I'm gonna try it out this summer hopefully.

Siofen

Neverwinter Nights was ok from what I remember, but it was still rather complex. I don't remember how much voice-acting it had. I haven't played NWN2 yet.

This is my opinion of these three borefest games:

Baldurs Gate II - Way too much micromanagement. You have to keep pausing the game during combat to micromanage your team. Way too much dialogue/reading (I want to play a game, not read a novel). And far too many options and far too complex.

Fallout 2 - Again, too many options and too complex, and too much dialogue/reading. Very boring turn-based gameplay. Dull outdated graphics.

Planescape Torment - Cool setting but way way too much dialogue/reading (story seems decent though, but again I want to play a game, not read a novel). Combat is dull. Too many options and too complex.

Now compare those games to really good RPGs like the following:

Oblivion - Great gameplay, combat is very fun. Still a decent amount of dialogue but not too much and you can actually HEAR it (voice-acting) which makes it a LOT better. Very cool missions. Fantastic graphics. Very good story. And not overly complex.

Diablo 2 - Great hack and slash RPG with excellent online multiplayer on BNET. Excellent combat and very cool skills to pick from. Just a whole lot of fun to play. Again you can HEAR the dialogue (voice-acting).

Baldurs Gate Dark Alliance - Another very well made hack and slash RPG for consoles. Excellent combat, good story, and just all around fun to play. And very good graphics for it's time. And again you can HEAR the dialogue (voice-acting).

Opinions?

I think it's ridiculous. I won't buy a game which I have to pay a monthly fee to play.

I sure hope that regular RPGs keep being made.