According to this one I am a Liberal Cosmopolitan.

gotta lol at the secular/fundamentalist. I'm sitting EXACTLY in the middle on the two. Only thing different from this one and other ones, is i am usually a hair bit into 'authoritarianism'.

but liberalcosmopolitan makes sense. I do consider myself under those two terms.

SaudiFury

Liberal Cosmopolitans of OT, unite!

I think I'm really different from all of you. :(

verbtex

I'm similar (except for the communist part).

I would rather the bank lose some money than kill a guy, even if he's a criminal. If he started taking hostages or something, though, different story.

Surprised? All of the biggest homophobes are just afraid of homosexuals because they had the balls to come out of the closet, while they themselves don't.

Some of the questions were poorly worded so I left some of those as nuetral. Apparently I'm a Liberal Cosmopolitan

I've heard axe is kinda a turnoff for girls so I go with speedstick or the original old spice.

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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]I'm talking about the Eastern campaign as a whole. The Soviet counterattack was temporary. They were again on the defensive and getting their butts kicked for all of 1942 until November (Battle of Stalingrad). And there's absolutely no way they would have held that city without U.S. aid. They were hurting up until then.KC_Hokie

I'll give you that, the Soviets were still on the defensive. I merely brought up the winter offensive to show that the Soviets were not competely defeated and hopeless without US aid. However, if we have decided to trust the site I posted, it says "At the beginning of 1943, there were 1,023 Lend-Lease tanks in Soviet units although 6,179 had been received since 1941" That would mean that even at the end of Stalingrad, only 1000 lend-lease tanks were being used. It does say that "Russian aircraft production 1942-1944 was 42,427 fighters and 11,797 bombers...approximately 20 per cent of the fighters and 30 per cent of the bombers of the Red Air Force were American-built and approx. 10 per cent of the fighters were British-built. " But since the Germans had air superiority at Stalingrad it shows that these extra planes didn't help much.

The Soviets by the Battle of Stalingrad were sharing rifles among men and literally starving. So hundreds of tanks, airplanes, trucks, etc., etc. certainly did save their arses. And a huge % of the aid came through Persian Corridor so they received the aid in Stalingrad quickly via rail (with American locomotives I might add). A lot quicker at that point than the Germans could resupply.

The winter offensive did more than just shock the Germans- it made them completely abandon their offensive towards Moscow. They believed that the Soviets were soundly defeated, and when a massive counter attack was launched, it proved that the war would drag on much longer than the Germans initially predicted. Remember they thought they could end the war by Christmas.

The amount of supply trucks that the US provided was substantial- far more important than any of the armored vehicles. Unfortunately the site does not have what years and in what quantity they were provided and used. But would you say that Stalingrad was won because of this aid? I would say no, because this aid was also dispersed around the entire front, not just Stalingrad. It was the fact that the Germans over extended and poured everything they had into Stalingrad (weakening their flanks) that the Soviets won the battle by a pincer movement encircleing the entire German 6th Army.

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]The gains were temporary. The Soviets couldn't hold. The Germans counterattacked and knocked the snot of the Soviets (see: Second Battle of Kharkov).KC_Hokie

That battle took place in may 1942, soI would not call it part of the winter offensive (whose main area of operations was in the north, not in the south). The gains in the north were held. In the south in 1942, as we all know, the German 6th army advanced hundreds of more miles past Kharkov to their fateful battle at Stalilingrad.

I'll give you that, the Soviets were still on the defensive. I merely brought up the winter offensive to show that the Soviets were not competely defeated and hopeless without US aid. However, if we have decided to trust the site I posted, it says "At the beginning of 1943, there were 1,023 Lend-Lease tanks in Soviet units although 6,179 had been received since 1941" That would mean that even at the end of Stalingrad, only 1000 lend-lease tanks were being used. It does say that "Russian aircraft production 1942-1944 was 42,427 fighters and 11,797 bombers...approximately 20 per cent of the fighters and 30 per cent of the bombers of the Red Air Force were American-built and approx. 10 per cent of the fighters were British-built. " But since the Germans had air superiority at Stalingrad it shows that these extra planes didn't help much.

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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]That counter-offensive was a defeat as those Soviet units got cut off and surrounded. The successful Soviet counteroffensive didn't start until mid-1942.KC_Hokie

I don't know where you got that information. It was actually the German third panzer army that was very nearly surrounded. Even though the Soviet offensive eventually lost steam and the front became a satelemate in some areas, it still significantly boosted the moral of the red army (which is a pretty big factor) and forced the Germans to retreat about 100 miles from Moscow. This ended the German plan for a quick victory taht would be over by Christmas- in a way, operation Babarossa failed right then and there.

That battle took place in may 1942, soI would not call it part of the winter offensive (whose main area of operations was in the north, not in the south). The gains in the north were held. In the south in 1942, as we all know, the German 6th army advanced hundreds of more miles past Kharkov to their fateful battle at Stalilingrad.

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Your chronology is off then since the Soviet counter offensive didn't start until mid-1942. The aid started in mid-1941.

KC_Hokie

The counter offensive began in winter 1941, at which time only around 600 tanks had been delivered (most of which were light valentines and M3 Stuarts)

I don't know where you got that information. It was actually the German third panzer army that was very nearly surrounded. Even though the Soviet offensive eventually lost steam and the front became a satelemate in some areas, it still significantly boosted the moral of the red army (which is a pretty big factor) and forced the Germans to retreat about 100 miles from Moscow. This ended the German plan for a quick victory taht would be over by Christmas- in a way, operation Babarossa failed right then and there.