@zintarr that may be the case, but I and others are beginning to get a little uneasy with what this means of the PS4. Sony are happy to leave the 'fee' up to the publisher... whilst it may not have the fancy infrastructure Microsoft has proposed, game passes could still be possible on PS4, no?

* by fee I mean let the publisher charge

@USNavyTech arrrrrrrrgh my eyes

@obsequies this is my favourite:

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2013/21/1369483557-1369474974507.jpg

anyone watched the press conference again on giant bomb? they recorded their reactions live, its hillarious! also when you watch it again you'll notice some wierd things in the demos, like to me it seems someone behind the scenes is controlling the xbox one because sometimes the guy on stage doesn't use the callsign 'XBOX blah blah'

@Gallowhand @Shewgenja but the EU 'loves' Microsoft ;)

@BamaGoatt indirectly, he became a whistleblower... little did we know he was echoing the same bullshit the entire team at xbone has been doing.

@tevic on that note, you gotta feel for adam orth, poor bastard wasn't alone in his silly thoughts, his only crime (if thats wat you call it) was letting the cat out the bag early...

@hahamanin thats what ive been saying.... its getting to that point where sony need to come clean if they are to follow these dirty tactics.....

@Random_Matt virtually every rumour has turned about to be true, they are providing nothing but politician answers.

@SIDEFX1 We just had an advert in the UK promoting Microsoft and privacy, I spat out my lunch, it was a damn tasty lunch too!