And yet CoD4 is still best played on teh 360, it has the most players online.

I'm not tryin to start anything, but you guys are just being fanboys.

[QUOTE="Vaan7"]ME is one thing, but some people seriously thought Oblivion was shallow? I said Wow, some peoples opinions must be purposely wrong for a reason...VoodooGamer

How come I can't kill Martin when I can kill "the master" in Fallout? How come every quest requires fighting when I can defeat "the master" through dialog? How come no one responds towards your actions? How come you can't join Mehrunes Dagon? How come the combat is player-focused when ideally it should be character focused hence the need for stats? How come you can join all the guilds and no one will care?

Of course it's shallow.

And why can't they just fly instead of walk? Its a game, stop taking it so seriously or go spend your time on something a little more productive.

[QUOTE="Vaan7"][QUOTE="cobrax75"][QUOTE="Vaan7"]

[QUOTE="dgsag"]$50 a year for Xbox live and Valve does this for free??!?!??! :lol:cobrax75

Untill all PC games become linked with Steam, that $50 a year isn't as bad some people may think.

and until that $50 a year gets you dedicaded servers for every game, mods for every game, and will support at least 64 players for a Battleifled game rather than a pathetic 24, your still paying for something that All PC gamers get for free.

If you liked online gaming then you would care more for a unified system over isolated servers.

Plus doesn't it bother you how dedicated servers become stagnant with the same people (once you filter put all the DEAD servers of course) while XBL shuffles everytime unless you party up?

Some mods are cool, but rarely any are even worth trying.

how many maps do you have for TF2 again? cause I have ever 1000 on the PC.

and how many people do you play TF2 with? 16? I play with 32, and I could be playing with a lot more if I wanted too.

and dedicaded servers are better than P2P...far less lag, no dropped games, stable connections, far more people per server...etc.

Hmm, has anyone ever told you the saying "Quality > Quantity, not quantity over..." ?

Counter Strike definitely has much more issues than any XBL games I've tried...