Hardware wise the PS3 has more power but it's hard to program for so some of that is wasted and now that most games come out on both the 360 and PS3 it seems sort of pointless arguing as both will get pretty much the same gamesmarkop2003

I agree with you. In the real world the ps3 was slow to take off becausae the 360 was easier to develop for. Most people are concerned about what they can do at the drop of a hat and money. The 360 got off to a head start because of that and because it released early. Ultimately both systems are going to be taken full advantage of though. The lifespan of these consoles should allow developers to do that and take full advantage of them. We are pretty much at that point for both consoles. The same things can be said with the ps2 as time went on and develoeprs got their hands around the hardware it showed what it was capable of. The same will happen with the ps3. I agree its not a huge difference. Both systems will have great games and the 360 the games seem to come a bit quicker. I have one for that reason. The ps3 might be slightly more impressive. It has bluray and can do slightly more graphically potentially. But there are also problems with it as well. Ultimately both systems are pretty much the same. They have the same games. The ps3 has some exclusive stuff the 360 doesnt. The 360 has games the ps3 doesn't. The ps3 has bluray. The 360 has offered downloadable hd content to counter. I might have to change discs on the 360 but who cares.

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[QUOTE="ronvalencia"] Somebody needs to go Computer Science 101. GPUs these days are RISC co-processors i.e. they process fix length instruction set. Fix length instruction sets simplify pipelining. Actually, some GPUs like ATI Radeon HD 2900 or ATI Xenos employs VLIW designs i.e. ala Intel Itanium. Geforce 8/9/GT2x0 employs SIMT (Single Instruction Multiple Threads) designi.e. like SIMD with "D" being executed as separate thread. Being "RISC" doesn't automatically equal an advantage. Ever since Intel Pentium Pro and AMD K5, modern X86 processors translates CISC operations (variable length) into RISC like operations (length instructions). VitunLehmat

And your point is what? I love how people throw technical specs out there when they have no idea what they even do. Sound to me dude like someone needs to get a clue. And its not me. I already explained why the ps3 is at an advantage in previous threads but tech geniuses like you are going to disagree regardless when you have no idea what you are talking about. So you are saying i dont realize that gpu's are basically coprocessors? Where did i say anything to the contrary? thanks for that lengthy meaningless bunch of garble that says absolutely nothing though. You and steppy really should take a class on life. Steppy did the same thing and threw out a bunch of crap and ultimately said nothing.. Thanks that's great so what you are saying is gpu's these days are coprocessors and your point is what?

I don't care if he does it for a living. The fact is what i said is true. The ps3 is capable of running 9 threads ultimately because of the additional spe's. I don't believe it can run the full 9, so if developers get it running optimally it is running 8. The 360 has 3 cores and is running 2 threads each. Which equals 6 and a beefed up gpu. The 360 is a more traditional design and is more geared to handle high level code. But if you can get the ps3 running optimally it doesn't need to rely as much on the gpu. You can have more threads running doing different things like sound processing, physics etc.... Yes bandwith and the design of the chip also comes into play. Both processors ultimately are running at the same frequency but they are a different design. The spu's are designed to handle specialized tasks.

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I can see what you mean but what boggles the mind (I am not being a fanboy in this instance I am just pointing something out). Why does the 360 run Red faction better (a little), I mean that is the most physics intense game out there, so this leads me to believe with the level of physics calculating does not seperate the 360 and PS3 performance wise, what will?

ronvalencia

Think about this mathematically. A multi core processor when it comes to games is going to be strong when dealing with 2 larger entities. Take a tornado for example sucking up a couple cars. A quad core or tri core processor with a lot of bandwith and a beefed up graphics card is going to excel at that because of the way it's rendering. A processor with one central processor and 7 synergistic processing units which are basically dumbed down risc processors that cant hold a lot of information but can calculate certain things on the fly before they even pass it to the gpu are going to excel when you are dealing with smaller details like being able to incorporate sound processing, more dynamic lighting, physics on a smaller scale which add up. Ultimately i think we are going to see things go the way of cell and multicore processors because as we know the whole is ultimately greater than the sum of its parts. The better smaller things the better bigger things ultimately. Right now the cell and multicore processors are on the other side of the spectrum from one another.

And your point is what? I love how people throw technical specs out there when they have no idea what they even do. Sound to me dude like someone needs to get a clue. And its not me. I already explained why the ps3 is at an advantage in previous threads but tech geniuses like you are going to disagree regardless when you have no idea what you are talking about. So you are saying i dont realize that gpu's are basically coprocessors? Where did i say anything to the contrary? thanks for that lengthy meaningless bunch of garble that says absolutely nothing though. You and steppy really should take a class on life. Steppy did the same thing and threw out a bunch of crap and ultimately said nothing.. Thanks that's great so what you are saying is gpu's these days are coprocessors and your point is what?

As far as GT5 vs Forza 3 from what has been shown GT5 seems to blur that line between video game and reality. It looks real. I look at the footage and it looks like i'm watching the real thing. I can't tell the difference too much. Forza 3 still looks like a video game to me and the environments still look cartoonish. Both will be great games however. GT5 looks like the true pinnacle this gen.

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What do you mean no console wins? Wii already won.

goblaa

in sales yes. But everyone has different preferences. To me the wii is completely irrelevant. the 360 won to me if i really have to pick a winner. But to someone else you probably will get a completely different answer.

Well, this is system wars, not Walker34 wars. And in system wars, the winner is the one with the most market share.

I agree they are winning the war. Sales says that. Nintendo won. But the fact is it is irrelevant to me. They didn't win with me. I didn't spend any money on a wii. lol.

What do you mean no console wins? Wii already won.

goblaa

in sales yes. But everyone has different preferences. To me the wii is completely irrelevant. the 360 won to me if i really have to pick a winner. But to someone else you probably will get a completely different answer.

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it's pretty gotten to that point. I honestly believe im sticking with the 360 through this entire gen and don't really care anymore. The 360 is the best to me because I own it and it has the games i want. I was hoping sony would do something that would really up the anti but they haven't. The ps3 is no better than the 360 and won't be.

nmaharg

the ps3 pissed me off to be honest. I bought one, because i thought it would be better. it was in some regards but it wasn't in others. i returned it and got another 360 and lost money in the process. I don't think i will get another ps3 now. They kind of pissed me off.

it's pretty gotten to that point. I honestly believe im sticking with the 360 through this entire gen and don't really care anymore. The 360 is the best to me because I own it and it has the games i want. I was hoping sony would do something that would really up the anti but they haven't. The ps3 is no better than the 360 and won't be. It has slightly prettier graphics in some of their games and even that is debatable.

i agree nintendo wins by default because it's the cheapest and came out with something new first. The wiimote. But from a gamer perspective it doesn't really win either imo. It's a gadget.

You're right the PC already won.nmaharg

i would agree with that, although that has it's own issues .