@supertom221 "You just know soemone has nothing better to say when they write "Don't like X, don't do Y"." It's not because there is nothing better to say, It's that in this particular context, there is nothing else to say. "You seem to have quite a complex yourself. I suggest you calm down and stop whining over things that do not concern you." Sorry, got on fire back there... No, no complex at all and yes; a close familiar when through that (and still does). So it concerns me, I have first hand information about it, I'm in a open website, I'll state any point of view I wish to. You wanna call a personal opinion it "Whining" to underrate it after questioning how the person who writes it was raised?. Heh! Talk about "Don't like X, don't do Y" I suggest you then another sentence: "For my right to speak, your liberty of not listening". Done with this.

@angrychinaman "First of all they definitely don't check your chromosomes and secondly how would you check the psychological elements at birth?" You don't people goes through "physical change" after puberty, "Assigned sex at birth is by the doctor, and it is based on sexual orientation" I insist, not true: in the context you speak "Sex" is based on the body. "Sexual orientation" is based on who you feel attracted to (A gay guy is still a guy, after all). Maybe we having a terminology issue here both of us? :/

@supertom221 "Yes, transgender is abnormal, and people make fun of what is different from them. DEAL WITH IT." From the commodity of your prefect normal way of life when a problem does not affect you... that is not ok and creates prejudices, but THAT IS LIFE, let's do nothing about it. Try to have a familiar suffering from mentality like yours all his life, see him growing with you suffering that mockery and then you come and tell me. Until then you really have no idea what you're talking about. Done writing today, tired of pointless arguments.

@supertom221 Because they are forcing you to read them, right? Simple solution: Against their right to say what they want in their website, your right to not listen/read em.

@angrychinaman "The assigned sex at birth is based on sexual orientation" There are also a lot of psychological elements in place, It's not all about sexual orientation "Sexual orientation doesn't reflect genes..." Nope, never said that. "BTW i realized i mixed up transgendered and transsexuals because I was actually describing Poison lol." Not sure, but I think I did something like that myself ^^;

@Ryouga001 "With respect, your opening post seems to direct most if not all of its criticism towards detractors of homosexuality. So this statement strikes me as disingenuous." The initial post was against "haters", against disrespect and against denial. If after this long posts we were writing to each other and in which I told you why I disagree with your point of view (always with respect, I believe) I still need to re-state that, then we better stop the discussion now, since it will eventually start looping. See you mate.

@Ryouga001 I teach my child to think for himself, not to think like I do (or like others tell him to do). I you mean "values" then yes (that's what I meant originally). The state maybe feels that they have the responsibility of representing also that sector of people (they do, in fact, have it). You can tell your child that you disapprove that and why you do it, it's you right as a parent (and part of your values, as I can see). I'm not writing it off, I talk about Europe's reality. Please don't put things I haven't said. "you guys are having a pretty big problem with multiculturalism. This isn't mentioning Europe's low birth rates in general. These are symptoms of cultural fatigue." That was misguided. Multiculturalism is not a problem; it's the very essence of the European Union; people from every member country moving freely to every other member country without restriction. We have rules that applies to everyone and I can tell you that whoever does not follow them does not stay a lot of time in the region. Also, birthrate have risen a lot thanks to integrated immigrants. Before that, low birth rates were related to sedentary social tendencies, so don't mix it.

@angrychinaman Sorry dude, but It's exactly the opposite. "Transsexualism is an individual's identification with a gender inconsistent or not culturally associated with his or her assigned sex. Simply put, it defines a person whose assigned sex at birth conflicts with his or her psychological gender." (wikipedia copypaste) That applies to the term transgender; in which sexual orientation has nothing to do with it; it's all about psychological gender.

Carolyn: About that "these characters were denying Poison her identity". I think it's more the fact that most of people (the designers of this game as the closest example here) still mistake "Travestied" with "Transsexual". One is a man dressed as a woman (or the opposite), the other is a woman imprisoned in a man's body (or the opposite). Not that I need to tell you of course, but better post it here just in case :)

@Ryouga001: (Last part, promise ^^;) Worthiness is what you do with your life and how it affects you and others. You can spend your life driven by lust and dying by Aids, or you can spend it with the person you love. You can be loyal to your believes and values without entering in conflict or you can impose then and eventually face consequences for it. THAT is all that matters. Being homosexual or heterosexual is not a factor. They are not better than us for being gay and we are not better for being hetero, So no, I'm not favoring anyone's morale by considering it more valid: It's just that for me sexuality is a neutral factor on people (again: I only care about deeds) and that I disagree with some of your ideas. Was interesting to read your point of view though, having your ideas clear is something I respect. Have a nice day