Yeah, it's almost as if the best way to stop all this harassment would be to sit down and answer the questions that everyone has to ask, to let this matter rest.

But being a professional victim is much cheaper, easier and profitable!

Like, why would going on Pakman's show (who gets little coverage) lead to more harassment than going to the BBC (which has a significantly larger reach). It's almost as if she is cherry-picking what programmes she goes on...

@Gue1:

so, now that we have established that Gamergate is not misogynistic, can we discuss games journalism?

You know, the thing that this is all about...

@Gue1:

ok, cool, good to know.

So these articles are practically part of their normal day :)

As far as I am aware, no. The authors of those articles appear to stand by them still.

In terms of lack of disclosure, also a no. TB interviewed Totilo and I believe Totilo said that he thought that Grayson and Patricia shouldn't have to disclose such relations

Not sure if people have seen it, but Pakman has been asking anti-GG people to have a discussion with him, and all of them have refused (except Wu, of course)

When he asked Quinn to come on the show, she refused and is now saying that he is pressuring her and now her twitter army are attacking Pakman for not being a 'true feminist' and supporting a hate group (for being nothing more than a neutral party trying to open a dialogue)

http://i.imgur.com/G2LLywe.png

And TB is angry about it

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/nh5575

I understand that people are critical of thezoepost, but there is still evidence of conflict of interest that should have been disclosed without even looking at thezoepost at all - you can ignore that if you wish.

https://medium.com/@aquapendulum/reality-check-supplement-reading-for-historyofgamergate-com-graysons-relationships-308dc510c680

This is a look at Grayson specifically and his need to disclose other relations, but one thing of interest is that Grayson, Quinn and the president of GaymerX were close friends, hanging out, drinking and doing karaoke - there is definately a 'more than professional' relationship between the to that should have been disclosed in Grayson's articles

http://i.imgur.com/qKlWpNT.jpg

The other is the fact that Quinn and Grayson went on a trip to Vegas before he wrote his articles - again, no disclosure from articles

And again, like you said, Grayson was a beta tester for DQ (although there has been some miscommuniation between the two because Quinn says that he was "thanked with the rest of the testers", whilst Grayson says that he just tried a "super early build" and never "worked on the game")

http://theralphretort.com/zoe-quinn-couldnt-have-made-depression-quest-without-grayson/

For those that find thezoepost to be unethical, or a breach of privacy or whatever, that's fine. Because there is more than enough outside of Eron's word to show that their relationship was more than professional and should have been disclosed

This whole issue should not have reached this point at all. Eron's reasons for creating thezoepost are his own - what got gamers' attention was the fact that two of the accused had given her positive coverage (Arnott with the Indiecade nightgames selection or something, and Grayson with the Kotaku 50 bestb indie games thing with DQ, a VERY mediocre game, as the headliner, and his article of the fall of the PEPSI_GAMEJAM looking almost entirely from her perspective and plugging her replacement GAMEJAM).

This is what gamers were interested in, and all they asked for was the Grayson and Arnott disclose such relationships. Gamers also started looking into other areas of un-disclosed relations, such as Patricia Hernandez, and a number of writers who had financial ties to people through Patreon.

That was all they had to do - give some half-assed apology, and say that they will make sure to disclose such relationships in the future. BUT THAT WASN'T WHAT HAPPENED.

Instead, Quinn talked with El Chupacupcake (a senior mod on r/games) and the next thing you know, all 'Quinnspiracy' threads were being deleted in minutes and TB's response thread got over 25,000 deleted posts. People were naturally curious as to what the hell was going on, and so the Streissand Effect came into play. This led to TFYC coming out and leading to people investigating the awful stuff that Zoe got involved in the past year (but that is for a different discussion) until we reach the 'Gamers are Dead' articles, and everything kicked off from there.

This should of been over and done with within 3 days of it starting, but the games media (and the mainstream media now) had to kick the hornet's nest and AS and BW had to stick their noses into it as well, when no-one was interested in them.

As a lot of people have been saying,people like Anita and Brianna have been deliberately getting themselves involved. They are the ones over-reacting every time one person says "**** you Anita" or something, and playing it up like it is some kind of huge movement to destroy all women, when it is not. The internet is full of dumbasses that just spout whatever comes to mind because they don't think or because its for 'teh lolz'. There are people like TB and Boogie that understand this and ignore it, then there are Anitas and Wus that make their living off of it

I understand why some people might see "but its about ethics" as trying to weasel out or something, but that is simply untrue.

The whole Quinn event and Gamergate started because games journalists were not being open about their connections, both financial and personal. Not only did they deny it, they went on an offensive to demean and slander gamers with blanket-sweeping statements of misogyny and women harassment.

They CAN'T acknowledge the women in gamergate, (notyourshield, Jennie Bharaj, CH Sommers even) because it destroys their narrative of 'muh-soggy-knees'. And they won't be open about the journalism ethics side of things because it makes games media sites look very bad

I still haven't watched the Colbert bit (not an American) but I find it funny that she went on his show when she was someone that campaigned for #CancelColbert

http://femfreq.tumblr.com/post/81710508559/by-now-online-conflagrations-seem-to-burn-with-an

From what I have heard, it was just Colbert making fun of everyone, and Anita "I love video games" Sarkeesian being unable to name 3 games

@DerekLoffin said:

@WozzaBoi said:

@Gue1 said:

@GarGx1:

Misogyny will always hunt us. This is what Anita had to say about the women that support #GG. And the thing is that now that she's seen as a hero, anything she says will be taken as gospel. Even the nonsense about masculinity turning men into murderers. I don't know about what kind of masculinity she's talking about because since when I was a child my parents always taught me that men never should hit women and stuff like that.

Is that picture real?

No, it's an edit of the one shown on this page here (although it is probably from a different source but still not real):

http://www.wired.com/2012/06/anita-sarkeesian-feminist-games/

Ah, cool. Good to know.