yeah, Mike Cernovich. I don't deny that he is be using this to promote himself, in the same way that Milo has done - but that doesn't mean that the work that they do is inherintely wrong.

His allegations weren't that they SWATed him but rather that they were attempting to SWAT him. The person he accused of attempting to SWAT him has so far not made any real attempts to prove him wrong. He asked that the person apologise and would have left it at that, but they instead continued to mock him and so he is pursuing legal action against her.

@Gue1 said:

@GarGx1:

Misogyny will always hunt us. This is what Anita had to say about the women that support #GG. And the thing is that now that she's seen as a hero, anything she says will be taken as gospel. Even the nonsense about masculinity turning men into murderers. I don't know about what kind of masculinity she's talking about because since when I was a child my parents always taught me that men never should hit women and stuff like that.

Is that picture real?

Anyway, I agree that we need a discussion on the effect that radical feminism has had on gaming - it can't be completely ignored.

However, what has happened is that #GG's original goals as still there, but have been sidelined by the feminism debate.

We need to tackle one at a time, and journalistic ethics needs to come first, because radfem didn't create the corruption in games media, it exploited it.

A way of thinking about it is that we have the building of Games Media. The publishers/PR people are outside, talking through the window to the journalists inside. Then, the journalists opened the back-door, letting the PR in to discuss issues away from the public eye. But they forgot to close the door behind them, Then the radfems/SJWs came along, found the back-door unlocked, and joined the meetings without anyone noticing.

Gamers need to go into the building, kick out the corrupt journalists and PR and once that is done, focus on the radfems

http://blueplz.blogspot.dk/2014/10/whose-side-am-i-on.html

Totalbiscuit calls for a moderate debate of things, to move away from harassment and look at ethics.

I agree with this, I think that too many (and I am probably guilty of this myself) have been getting caught up with all the harassment and "muh-soggy-knees" and have lost focus on what started this whole thing - games media not being transparent and attempting to hide their unethical behaviour. The media focuses on the trolls, blanket-sweeping them as gamergate, and so the trolls continue because the media is helping them to win.

We need a discussion, but I feel the reason there hasn't been one is because the media are not interested in one. When gamers came to them and asked "Why is Grayson not being reprimanded for his actions? Why is Patricia Hernandez not being reprimanded for her actions? Why are you not talking about the IGF racketeering stuff? Why did you cover Temkin/Wardell/Mattingley but not Quinn?", they were met with "because you are all men that hate misogynists, you are terrorists". When gamers answered those questions with #NotYourShield, finding one of the people harassing Brianna Wu, GG harassment patrol, they were once again met with "misogynists!terrorists!"

In order to have a debate, both sides have to answer the questions posed by the other. GG had to answer the misogyny claim to do this. Otherwise, all we would have would be two sides, both trying to outscream the other to get their voice heard.

From what I have seen so far, and I feel what TB has seen, is that GG is perfectly happy and has been taking the initiative to answer questions posed to them. In contrast to this, those who are anti-GG (especially the games media) has been doing their best to avoid answering any questions, prefering to parrot their previous questions that have been debunked time and time again.

@EJ902:

the recent shooting she was refering to was the one that happened in Marysville, Washington on the 25th.

That is not all she tweeted - people were also angry that she plugged some book that she wrote a back-cover review for to help 'explain' her view

Just wanted to add another thing.

A lot of people have been saying "if gamergate is about ethics, then why do they spend so much time talking about feminism/SJWs"

There are two things I want to say to that:

1.Because that is all the games media is talking about. When gamergate started, even before it with the 'Quinnspiracy', the focus was on Totilo, Grayson, Indie-cade and Indiefund, IGF, Phil Fish, TYFC and of course Quinn herself. People were trying to talk about ethics, but nobody was listening and instead parroting "misogyny and harassment". Gamers asked questions about ethics, and received no answer. So they had to respond to the anti-women argument first to clear that up, that is what dialogue is all about, but again the media weren't listening. If gamergate had 'stuck to its guns', then we would of had one side shouting "MISOGYNY, HARASSMENT" whilst the other side shouted "JOURNALISM, ETHICS" and no-one would get anywhere. One had to answer the other's question, but the media showed us that they were doing there best to avoid GG's question and didn't want an answer to their question that didn't fit their narrative. And because this led to no dialogue either, GG went to strike at these companies' wallets through advertisers, extremists on both sides decided to dox each other and third-party trolls came in to create more problems.

2. Some have considered the games media's 'obsession' with SJW-like 'progressiveness' as its own form of unethical behaviour. When they run article after article how Ubi is bad for not having female characters in their games, or games showing females getting attacked or sexualised are bad, or that Gone Home is the best indie game ever because it has lesbians in it, they are seen by people to be attacking devs from their 'moral high ground'. Over the last week or 2, people were making comments about how GS was becoming 'Anitaspot' with all the positive coverage she kept getting, seemingly mentioning everything that was happening in her life whilst saying how she was won an award and her work was "critically acclaimed", but failing to mention the number of people who have shown her work to be of poor quality. The main games media appears to be strongly Left-leaning, and many believe this to be a part of the problem as it leads to yellow journalism and possibly outright corruption/unethical behaviour

Interested in hearing your thoughts on this - cause I don't shut down comments and the like-bar (sorry, but couldn't resist snarky comment)

Newsweek tried to use twitter data to show that GG is a harassment campaign.

Here is a critical analysis of the data presented - the newsweek article itself is at the start

https://medium.com/@cainejw/an-actual-statistical-analysis-of-gamergate-dfd809858f68

TL;DR: conclusion is that newsweek ignores the 80-95% neutral-positive tweets and focuses only on negative ones. Also, Quinn, Wu, Sarkeesian and Alexander all receive significantly more positive tweets than Totilo or Grayson using GG hashtag.

Overall balance is that males and females involved receive, in percentages, equal treatment

@Gue1:

"fun fact, in one of the emails Leigh wa using the tag #killallmen"

I am pretty sure that was not from Leigh or the GameJournoPros

It was from the Guardian, and the email was sent to employees saying that Leigh was gonna come in and talk about how to respond to this "idiotic campaign"

Now some tried to say that the use of the #killallmen tag was the "idiotic campagn", but considering the fact that that tag died months ago, it has been considered very unlikely.

Therefore, many have said that the "idiotic campaign" was refering to GG and #killallmen was used because they agreed with it, as GG is filled with nothing but misogynist man-babies

Breitbart did an article interviewing a woman, Margaret Gel, who has been involved with a number of people to form the GG Harassment Patrol

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2014/10/25/While-the-Media-Slanders-Gamers-as-Terrorists-GamerGate-Is-Hunting-Trolls-and-Abusers

an interesting read

https://archive.today/SWJ3n

Recent pro-GG person Mike Cernovich (he has become quite popular among a number of GG people) forced to flee home because someone called the cops on him and is afraid of a possible SWATING

I wonder when he is gonna be on MSNBC talking about how he was harassed...

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/853/720/fee.jpg

to move away from Anita.

Seems a number of devs have contacted anonymous Xbox guy to send this message supporting GG