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[QUOTE="JohnF111"]Real gamers play games for other reasons than graphics, the fact you made 90% of your post based on a graphics arguments just shows how shallow your gaming experience is.Easyle

You don't get it. If GTA V on the PS3 looks almost the same on the PS3 as it does on the PS4, why spend the money to upgrade to the new PS4?

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You can just keep your current gen machine which you already have a huge library of games for, spent a considerable amount of time building your gamertag and friends lists on and so on?

Isn't the only reason to upgrade to experience the next gen graphics which should be a huge leap above what the current gen offers?

Isn't it ridiculous and suicidal for a company such as Sony or Microsoft to release the PS4/720 with only marginal hardware upgrades? If they did that then it would make all the sense in the world to keep our current consoles and say screw the next gen.

Actually it's even worse than that. This would make a console such as the Wii/Wii U even more attractive. Hardcore gamers will figure, well we're not getting the upgraded graphics so might as well just go with Nintendo who actually innovates with control schemes and has amazing first party support.

I imagine Sony or MS execs would be wreckless to gamble on an underpowered next gen machine when they know the competition could release an uber console that would destroy them.

AdobeArtist

You make this protest without even knowing just how far the hardware upgrades on Microsoft's and Sony's next system will be.

Actually i'm not protesting, i'm just wondering if one of the big two hardware players are in danger of making such a costly mistake. I am hoping both of them bring out great next gen machines that live up to and even surpass expectations. But I have a feeling one of the two is going to stumble badly.

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[QUOTE="fastr"] No, not blockbuster, not warner bros, it was the porn industry, as said earlier.. 7 mill a month. Porn decides format wars, it always has. It win VCR the war over Betamax, even tho betamax was superior in quality size and price. here is a time line, winter 2006 HD-dvd turns the tides and outsells Blu-ray for the holiday season. feb 2007 - vivid decides on blu-ray mar 2007 - toshiba throws in the towel. TheEpicGoat

Warner didn't join till after Vivid, a year later actually.

When Warner announced it would support Blu-ray exclusively, the format war was over instantaneously.

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]It's not that simple. The cost if subsidizing hardware is astronomical. It's a huge investment. The Wii showed that graphics don't matter to casual gamers, and that's who they are trying to target. Don't kid yourself.CwlHeddwyn

Agreed. Nintendo is not dumb enough to release an HD Wii with the same motion controls. Problem is, Sony may just be so dumb as to release an underpowered PS4 with Move wand as the standard controls. If they do that, they will be obliterated by the fierce competition.

i dont care my trophies and most of the people on my friends list... 99% of them are randoms..wouldnt take long to add the ones i do want on the ps4. If i want to continue playing those games from this gen...i can... getting a new console doesnt mean i can no longer play the old ones :roll: and if it has backwards compatibility then... and no the only reason to upgrade is to play the new generation of games which wont show up on the last..campzor

Problem is, if the PS4 doesn't sell then the games new generation of games won't show up on the PS3 or PS4, they'll show up on the Xbox 720 after Microsoft kills Sony and turns them into a software company.

I for one can't wait to play some uncharted on my shiny new Xbox 720. How sweet victory is!

I'm sure Sony knew that a $600 console wouldn't likely sell as well as their $250 competition, even if they couldn't have predicted what a massive hit the Wii would actually be. They're not fools. The PS3 was initially designed to win the the format war, even at the expense of next-gen marketshare - and it succeeded at accomplishing that.

It's actually quite shocking that the PS3, despite costing more throughout its entire existence, has nonetheless outshipped the 360 worldwide since its launch (ie., outshipped the 360 between November 2006-today. The 360 holds an install base lead only thanks to launching a year earlier).

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[QUOTE="fastr"] Actually HD-DVD was winning the war until vivid, the largest porn company in the world, sided with blue ray. In an industry where hundreds of movies are made each day, it would be silly to think they aren't the biggest factor out there. Even your subconscious knows it, that's why you equate BR with trojans ;)fastr

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Mariokart64fan - You don't know Sony, over the last 3 years, hasn't been profitable in over half of their quarters? Sony has openly stated they aren't spending nearly as much towards development of the PS4 as they did with the PS3. Meanwhile, MS is as profitable as ever and will expend both Sony and Nintendo in terms of development of a new console.

thinicer

Sony's console was only superior to 360 in watching movies. As far as games it was terrible. Very difficult to program for. Developers need a huge budget and talented staff to get the PS3 games to look equal to 360 games. Considering the PS3 launched a FULL YEAR later and at $600 vs $400 for the 360, it was obviously a miserable failure tech wise. But yes for movies it's great.

Consumers like shiny new products, and Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo will hype their new console as being able to do more than the 360/PS3/Wii (even if they are similar in power) which will lure a bunch of people in.

And because developers understand new consoles will sell then they will develop games for the new consoles, and eventually more and more people will upgrade to play those games, and ditch their 360/PS3/Wii.

Ly_the_Fairy

This would be true if the videogame industry was a monopoly and consumers had no choice.

Being as it's not monopoly then if a company such as Sony decides to release an underpowered system, then Microsoft can releasse an uber powered 720 and consumers would have the choice.

The choice would be to upgrade to a next-gen console with the same graphics but new features or choose a next-gen console with truly a monster leap forward in graphics and amazing new games to play. I would easily go with the actual next gen machine and not the piece of garbage system with the same graphics we've been looking at for the past 7 years.

Real gamers play games for other reasons than graphics, the fact you made 90% of your post based on a graphics arguments just shows how shallow your gaming experience is.JohnF111

You don't get it. If GTA V on the PS3 looks almost the same on the PS3 as it does on the PS4, why spend the money to upgrade to the new PS4?