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[QUOTE="Rude_Bwoii"]You still don't get it facepalm. Ok I will break it down even more simply. What are the big problems when making a console ??

1. Price anything over 400 usd is hardcore on console ie slow market uptake by the casual market

2. Heat can't just slap a bunch of fast parts in a small case of it will die

3. Power supply this makes every thing go and causes heat plus is bulk and heavy the more power you need.

So you saying slap the fastest possible gpu in a console is in a word stupid. You also have a display that tops out at 1080p ie the hdtv most people play on. So you get this fast gpu in your 700 usd console that catches on fire and cant use it's power due to the display maxing at 1080p. Is any of this now making sense to you yet ??

Rude_Bwoii

The Evergreen, Northern Islands and Southern Islands cards are NOT more bulkier than the 4000 series cards. How are you assuming that these cards are more massive than the 4000 family? And as far as a small case, the Xbox 360 for example is not a small case, how do we even know the size of Project Cafe? I haven't seen it and no one else posting in here or elsewhere has either. It could be the size of the original (not slimmed down) Xbox 360.

Did u read my post at all ??

All those gpu's are hotter,cost more and use more power and the display is still ony 1080p. Is any of this sinking in with you on why nintendo is using that part or no ???

Edit even if they did put one much faster gpu's in the console it would sound like a jet with the fan noise or the case would be huge.

[QUOTE="Xplode_games"][QUOTE="kunggustaf"]

You do realise that Nintendo would go bankrupt if they released that console for $400 right? (And why create a new thread? There are already threads about this subject on the front page ... )

kunggustaf

Never mind. I thought the 6970 cost about $350 alone. Shows how updated I am about the PC hardware I suppose :P

[QUOTE="Xplode_games"]

Maybe Nintendo is going to blow us away at E3 and announce a uber powerful machine. I'm talking 4 - 6 Core processor, HD 6970 based GPU, 2 GBs RAM, Blu-ray and so on. This would make the $350 - $400 price make much more sense and would be able to hold it's own against the 720 and PS4.

kunggustaf

You do realise that Nintendo would go bankrupt if they released that console for $400 right? (And why create a new thread? There are already threads about this subject on the front page ... )

these are leaks from developers with dev kits. These are likely to be preliminary dev kits. Nintendo will probably release final dev kits(final specs) some point much closer to launch and definitely after E3 to keep the info confidential.

Remember back in 2005, the 360 had an *internal leak* from some Chinese manufacturing plant that really gave everything away. But if you guys remember, actual developers who had dev kits back then were reporting different specs. The alpha dev kits had 9800 pro as a GPU. Then the beta dev kits had an X800 XT as a GPU. And all the dev kits had regular Power PC in order processors running at 2.5 Ghz and 256 MB of RAM.

It was only after E3 when MS officially announced the 360 and the final specs that developers were given the final dev kits. The talk at the time was if they would have enough time to finish games right before the launch which was only a few short months after E3.

With Project Cafe we have *not had* a single internal leak. What we've had is developers who have preliminary dev kits that have leaked info. This means these dev kits are in beta or maybe even alpha stage.

This might be why we are hearing reports of an RV770 GPU being used when we all know it would make a lot more sense to use a DX11 low end part that matches that performance if they want to go that route. For example the 5770 or even the 6870 if they want a 256-bit memory interface. I fully understand that the rumored RV770 will be customized but it just doesn't make sense to shrink that chip from a 55nm process to the 32nm when you have the new chips that are already at 40nm. Why in the world would Nintendo do this? Of course if this is the chip in the alpha dev kits then it makes perfect sense.

Maybe Nintendo is going to blow us away at E3 and announce a uber powerful machine. I'm talking 4 - 6 Core processor, HD 6970 based GPU, 2 GBs RAM, Blu-ray and so on. This would make the $350 - $400 price make much more sense and would be able to hold it's own against the 720 and PS4.

Can't be a graphics king until its out and playable. We can look at cutscenes of games years away, cant call them graphics king tho imo.locopatho

Some people are saying the graphics will not be so good and the 720 and PS4 will blow it away anyway so Nintendo will be in the exact same position as the Wii.

But actually, there's a big difference here. Project Cafe will launch in 2012, maybe even early 2012. The earliest the 720 or PS4 will be released is 2014 and more likely 2015. But let's say it will be 2014, this still gives Cafe 2 years to compete against the HD Twins.

Imagine if the Wii was released in early 2003, it would have been the most powerful console at that time. Now keep in mind that there is a bigger jump from HD Twins to Cafe than from Xbox1 and PS2 to Wii. The Cafe will be competing for a full 2 years minimum against the HD Twins. The cafe will be able run multiplats at 1080p 60fps which would make it equivalent to a high end PC. Of course there will be exceptions such as BF3 but even in that case the Cafe will probably run it maxed out at 720p 30fps.Compared to the crippled version the other consoles will get.

Now let's factor in Nintendo's awesome first party games. These will take full advantage of the hardware and will look comparable to the best PC games. I can only imagine an HD Zelda, that would be amazing. The level of graphical fidelity will be leaps ahead of anything the HD Twins are capable of.

What about price? Well, if those latest rumored specs are accurate then Nintendo could release Cafe at $300 and make a nice profit on the hardware on day one. They may be forced to launch at this price instead of $350 if the HD Twins have a price drop in the meanwhile. And this would be a console geared towards the hardcore gamers. The casuals will stick to the Wii until the Cafe drops in price.

Which leads me to my second point. When the next Xbox and PS4 are released in 2014, they will launch at let's say $450 for the lowest SKU. This will make mean it is priced above the casual market and by that time Nintendo will drop Cafe's price to $250 and sit back while all the current casual Wii owners upgrade. By the time the Next Xbox and PS4 hit their stride in 2016, Nintendo could if necessary release a new console that will easily surpass both of them and at a lower price.

Also let's keep in mind that as far as multiplats are concerned, the Cafe will be able to run PS4 and 720 first gen games at 720p 30fps. This means that graphically the Cafe will be at or near the top of the food chain for the next 3 - 4 years.

If you ask me, Sony and MS have a lot to be concerned about. Of course there is always the possibility that all the rumors are wrong and the Cafe is actually not even as powerful as the HD Twins. In that case I think Nintendo will have made a dumb mistake and everything I wrote here is invalid. I can't wait for E3 to find out!

Mod edit: Fixed the formatting for ya. Do keep in mind that such excessive use of punctuation is disruptive, though.