"It's 30fps because it wouldn't be fair if people with better hardware got a performance advantage, unless you're on PC in which case hey, 240hz 4k resolution away! Screw people with lesser hardware!" Aka, Bungie is lazy.

"We're not being cheap in skipping on dedicated servers because reasons!" Aka, Bungie is cheap, and doth protest too much.

@sodapoppimpski: Oh hey, they just released the full list of initial games (it kinda sucks), and made the service available.

Thanks for leaving such a dumb comment that I could dredge up.

@sodapoppimpski: Well it's been two months, have they confirmed anything yet? No. Good job dredging up a two months old comment just to make stuff up.

@Richardthe3rd: You're doing it again. That arrogance thing.

You're telling people what they can and cannot do and what's best for them without their input.

@Richardthe3rd: I'm pretty sure the only thing people can't handle is your arrogance. You ignored it all again though, good job. A++.

@Richardthe3rd: That's silly, if someone specifically wants to use M&KB they'd have a PC.

The whole point of this was why are PC players so against console players coming anywhere near them when their only arguments against it are that they feel controller users are gimped and that the hardware is inferior and yet PC is a platform where you can always use a controller whether the game supports it or not, so they're definitely already playing with controller users, and a variety of hardware exists meaning that there's nothing saying the PC player isn't on the inferior hardware.

I think you missed all of my points wholesale. If you bought a console and are upset you can't use a mouse & keyboard your problems start somewhere much earlier than your input device.

@Richardthe3rd: Then play on PC?

If people want to play on console, let them?

You're totally ignoring what I said to keep pushing your belief that the only reason people don't use M&KB is because they're stupid or physically incapable.

Some people prefer controllers and that's really the end of it. Some people have limitations forcing them to use controllers, and that's also the end of it. They're two different issues and my point with the fellow int he gif was that he is capable of playing at high level not only with a controller but with severe limitations in how he uses it, it didn't stop him from using it well.

@Richardthe3rd: That's fine and dandy but PC games support controllers and allow people to play competitively with them already. It doesn't really matter what someone's preferred input is. Have you seen that disabled tournament street fighter dude who plays with his face?

Input method doesn't much matter if the player is good. Perhaps just make it an option whether you want to be in the crossplatform pool or not, that solves everything pretty quickly.

I think the main reason people want crossplatform anyway is because there are friends stranded away from each other across the platform divides and they don't want to invest several hundred into new hardware to play together.

@eli150: Dunno. You'll find that the only people who are against crossplay tend to be PC extremists. I wonder if they're just afraid they've been wrong all these years and they might lose to someone using a 'crippled input device'?

The REALLY weird thing is that most PC games these days support controllers and a lot of people use them there already...

Do not buy this currently.

There's a major bug where the game just stops saving progress randomly. The save icon pops up, it tells you it's saving, but it's not, and you have no way of knowing when the last 'real' save was. It's completely broken. I played most of the afternoon yesterday and came back to a point in my progress about half an hour after I started today. Several other reports of similar results in various forums ranging from minutes to the entire day's progress lost.