[QUOTE="ZOD777"]

I keep hearing that gaming on the PC is slowly dying. Some of the blame can be due to publisher's worrying about piracy, but other blames are attributed to the cost of maintaining a high end PC for years while consoles remain dormant regarding hardware. I personally don't think that PC gaming is going anywhere (meaning nonexistant/dormant). While I understand the need to combat piracy, and the fact that not everyone can maintain an enthusiast level PC, the interface that the PC provides far surpasses that of consoles. Nobody buys a console with the hopes of a key/mouse interface otherwise they would buy a gaming PC. Do you think that developers are slowly straying from the PC format other than the obvious such as Blizzard? I think that sales for MMOs such as SWTOR and WOW would surely keep PC gaming viable for some time, but are we doomed eventually?

Give reasons as to why PC gaming will thrive or fail. Simply reading the topic headline is not truly contributing to the thread's intent.

Ondoval

I read that console gaming had a cataclysmical fall in sales last month, about a 30% year on year (just after a 20% fall in December), and the prospections for this year are even worse, whereas Steam grew from 30 to 40 million users and some publishes as EA had in his DLC clients (Origin) his more proficient business. How that fits in your crazy theories?

Wii is a dead horse, PS3 sales are in decline and Xbox 360 run out of titles -multis? you can play multis en PC, and better- and no one is sure about the fate of 3DS and PS Vita, so how can you talk about PC gaming dying when is clearly putting console gaming aside? Free to play games, Steam sales and low cost gaming in PC are slaughtering the pricey console gaming scheme... And you're on the verge of the need to buy a new generation of machines -which some experts think that could be the last one, at least in portable handheld consoles-.

You're wrong, man, the hole that PC gaming is carving is not for him, is for this gen of consoles...

I don't know what crazy therory I am making that you are referencing since you neglect to point out what that absent theory I made actually is. If you took the time to read the very quote that you replied to, you would see that I actually state that PC gaming is not going anywhere in my opinion. I don't have the time nor energy to defend every single thing that I type, but I think that if anyone would simply take the time to read such entries, they might see that some of these generic responses to the topic headline are not valid hence the reason I adjusted the OP in bold at the bottom. Ugh...

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[QUOTE="DanielDust"]This is not a viable topic, the best thing you can do with such concerns, for anyone that doesn't come here to be annoyed by misinformed, insecure people is to blog it, you're flattering yourself with that 3-6 months thing, if you'd believe in that then you would have waited another almost 3-6 months before you made this thread. At least create such a thread when a new console wave starts and they see a rise in sales (MS and Sony), not when they're already pretty much dead and PC sales have been growing as much as console sales dropped.DanielDust

Since you obviously have a crystal ball, I would like to know if all of the best games for 2012 will be on PC or consoles ONLY mister Dust (or Ms based on your avatar). You are misinformed if you believe that the corporate structure (and the decisions therin) of a company falls in your hands as a consumer to decide. So I guess there is no such thing as foresight huh? I should only post such concerns or topics once they have become an overwhelming undersight or invalid? While I understand that this topic has been beaten to death over the years, it doesn't dissapear. Should detering cyber crime be a topic that is neglected because it has been brought up before despite the advancemnents in technology? The new consoles that debut are only going to be able to utilize video cards that are already outdated by the time of release as compared to PC hardware. The GPU market is not solely driven by PC gaming as some people seem to be disillusioned by. Do you think that ILM (Industrial Light and Magic) uses a GTX 590 X 4? If you do, maybe you should work at the Skywalker Ranch. Obviously you know more about computer hardware and the limitations of a 24" x 24" x 6" box than anyone does.

Another thing I'm sure you know is that consoles need to be affordable, so their hardware for the next generation will suck, they can't take it much further compared to the available technology, what does console gaming holding back evolution (that's pure fact, everyone knows it..) has to do with your thread? If you're not finding what you just said in your last post stupid, then you're by far the worst poster in the last several months that made such a thread, you're not just insecure and misinformed, you're also have a sense of revolt, entitlement and you believe in a delusional that what you just said makes sense, no you just changed the topic in a highly irrelevant way, not that this thread was relevant even before that, contradicting every statement you made with other statements, you have no idea what you wanted to achieve with this thread and you have no idea what you're planning on gaining from it.

"While I understand that this topic has been beaten to death over the years" no, you don't understand, there is no "but", if you understand you would already have an answer for these plainly idiotic concerns, it's the filthiest garbage anyone can make on this forum, your kind of thread and that is a fact (God knows how you managed to have a decent PC if you're that insecure about your gaming choices and you have a lack of games you'd want that aren't on PC...).

Holy hell. You have sucessfully butchered the english language to an extent that I didn't know was possible until now. Take a few college courses and get back to me. Consoles NEED to be affordable? Tell that to Sony execs that pull in 2.5 million a year when it comes to being concerned about the consumer when they release a console that is 700 dollars on release. You are the epitome of indiscretion and naivity that they so desire. This thread was intended to discuss the direction of current developer's strategy (publishers not being ignored) regarding the development of new games on current platforms. Surely the PC market is going to thrive in the modding community and enthusiast level users, but this thread was intended to create an intelligent discussion. Based on the vocabulary skills you posess, I suggest you opt out now while you still have a chance at saving what little face you have left. What console gaming has to do with my thread is everything that is pertinent to this thread. I guess you are just another, "My rig can handle any game" consumer that doesn't realize that maybe in the future, your rig can handle a NASA shuttle launch yesteryear, but cannot deal with a modern game because it isn't about the capability, rather the culpability you will face for having such a system that cannot deal with a game that isn't even available to attempt to launch.

This is not a viable topic, the best thing you can do with such concerns, for anyone that doesn't come here to be annoyed by misinformed, insecure people is to blog it, you're flattering yourself with that 3-6 months thing, if you'd believe in that then you would have waited another almost 3-6 months before you made this thread. At least create such a thread when a new console wave starts and they see a rise in sales (MS and Sony), not when they're already pretty much dead and PC sales have been growing as much as console sales dropped.DanielDust

Since you obviously have a crystal ball, I would like to know if all of the best games for 2012 will be on PC or consoles ONLY mister Dust (or Ms based on your avatar). You are misinformed if you believe that the corporate structure (and the decisions therin) of a company falls in your hands as a consumer to decide (other than bottom line red/black figures). So I guess there is no such thing as foresight huh? I should only post such concerns or topics once they have become an overwhelming undersight or invalid? While I understand that this topic has been beaten to death over the years, it doesn't dissapear. Should detering cyber crime be a topic that is neglected because it has been brought up before despite the advancemnents in technology? The new consoles that debut are only going to be able to utilize video cards that are already outdated by the time of release as compared to PC hardware. The GPU market is not solely driven by PC gaming as some people seem to be disillusioned by. Do you think that ILM (Industrial Light and Magic) uses a GTX 590 X 4? If you do, maybe you should work at the Skywalker Ranch. Obviously you know more about computer hardware and the limitations of a 20" x 20" x 4" box than anyone does.

Ah the weekly PC gaming is dying thread!

Raxzor

Well, that is not very insightful. The industry is in constant flux, so to incinuate that it is just another ill warranted concern is somewhat naive. I am not trying to flame you or start a flaming thread, this is a legitimate topic. It will be an even more viable topic in 3-6 months from now as more developers delay OR completely neglect the PC as a viable platform. The topic will be viable again 3-6 months after that. To be so shortsighted about it is somewhat overconfident without backing such a statement as to why you think contrary to the issue.

I keep hearing that gaming on the PC is slowly dying. Some of the blame can be due to publisher's worrying about piracy, but other blames are attributed to the cost of maintaining a high end PC for years while consoles remain dormant regarding hardware. I personally don't think that PC gaming is going anywhere (meaning nonexistant/dormant). While I understand the need to combat piracy, and the fact that not everyone can maintain an enthusiast level PC, the interface that the PC provides far surpasses that of consoles. Nobody buys a console with the hopes of a key/mouse interface otherwise they would buy a gaming PC. Do you think that developers are slowly straying from the PC format other than the obvious such as Blizzard? I think that sales for MMOs such as SWTOR and WOW would surely keep PC gaming viable for some time, but are we doomed eventually?

Give reasons as to why PC gaming will thrive or fail. Simply reading the topic headline is not truly contributing to the thread's intent.

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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] They are sold as separate games but they are not called AC3 and AC4 since they follow the same story as AC2. You want a totally new game do you? So for Revelations they should have made it into a racing game? maybe an RTS? No, I know... a Space Combat Sim... Sorry I spelled something wrong oh great Lord of English. (Yes, I've played all the AC games and can tell when a game follows the same story as the last and not a new one, something obviously you can't)FelipeInside

So Modern Warfare 2 and 3 are expansions to Call of Duty 4: MW because they follow the same story line? And Mass Effect 2 was an expansion to Mass Effect? I don't think you understand what a new game vs a recycled game means. Either that or you just won't admit that you are wrong even if it means contradicting yourself in the process. I am not asking for a new genre, I am asking that the developer takes some time to create something fresh, rather than use the same game with a few tweaks and releasing it as a new full title game. Had they released as AC2 Brotherhood and AC2 Revalations, I would not expect many changes at all. Dawn of War II games like Chaos Rising and Retribution are admitted expansions (stand alone) still using "Dawn of War II" in the titles. Those are expansions and are sold as such. These AC games after 2 are not expansions, but full title separate releases and are being sold as such. I don't know why that is so hard for you to grasp. I don't understand why you want to defend the developer's laziness to sell recycled games as brand new.

It's just a name game.

MW2 and MW3 are new games but they still follow the Modern Warfare Trilogy (which ended with MW3) so they can be considered Expansions even if sold as new games.

It's not that I'm defending anything, the developers imo weren't lazy, they improved many things from AC1 to AC2, and then again improved lots to bring what I believe to be an awesome game in Brotherhood. Like I said, I don't know what more you want.

Brotherhood and Revelations were built with the same engine and released one after the other with not much time between development, so of course they are going to be similar. Still, each release brought lots of new things to the table. Some things worked, others didn't.

I can't believe that you are trying to explain it to me like I am 5 years old. I am well aware of the stories, and where they end. You must not have understood the sarcasm behind my last comment regarding MW expansions (I have all of the CODs). I suppose Starcraft 2 is an expansion to the 1990s Starcraft, or can be considered an expansion by your logic. Like I said before, I am done with the AC series just like I am done with Madden and COD because of the lack of improvements. If I want an expansion, I'll buy add on packs for a game or DLC, not a 60 dollar game. The improvements from 1 to 2 are great, it is the lack of them between 2 and BH that is upsetting to me. From what I gather, Rev isn't much different either. Besides, the AC story is dragging and degrading. It is starting to remind me of the Metal Gear series now. Who wants to play as elderly Snake?

I am pretty ignorant on the subject, but with gaming PCs being more powerful than consoles, why don't we see more split screen gaming on them? Options are always nice, right? >.>Hexagon_777

Split screen isn't very applicable to PC in most cases because you would need 2 USB gaming controllers (or 1 while other uses KB/Mouse) and the screen isn't really large enough for it in most cases either. I wouldn't want to be the one with the controller in a 2 player FPS. A game like Street Fighter 4 works well with 2 players, but most shooters and other games besides racing and sports games would be better to utilize 2 KB/Mouse setups. It is just too compact a screen and seating arrangement to be viable in most games. That is of course unless you have a 30" monitor, a monitor cart, a couch, 1600p resolution, and the delusion that everyone else is jealous about it.

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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

ehhh, they are meant as expansions packs to part 2, so they are going to be similar. They just carry the Enzio story forward and finish it with Revelations...

FelipeInside

No they are not meant as expansions. An expansion usually requires the original game (yes there are plenty of stand alone expansions) but these games are releasing as full seperate titles. Nowhere do they claim that these are expansions to AC2. I guess you are giving them a pass for laziness by making excuses for them. I was done with Madden in 2003, I am done with COD, and now done with AC. I don't want recycled games, I want new ones.

By the way, his name is Ezio (pronounced Et-see-oh), do you even own the game?

So Modern Warfare 2 and 3 are expansions to Call of Duty 4: MW because they follow the same story line? And Mass Effect 2 was an expansion to Mass Effect? I don't think you understand what a new game vs a recycled game means. Either that or you just won't admit that you are wrong even if it means contradicting yourself in the process. I am not asking for a new genre, I am asking that the developer takes some time to create something fresh, rather than use the same game with a few tweaks and releasing it as a new full title game. Had they released as AC2 Brotherhood and AC2 Revalations, I would not expect many changes at all. Dawn of War II games like Chaos Rising and Retribution are admitted expansions (stand alone) still using "Dawn of War II" in the titles. Those are expansions and are sold as such. These AC games after 2 are not expansions, but full title separate releases and are being sold as such. I don't know why that is so hard for you to grasp. I don't understand why you want to defend the developer's laziness to sell recycled games as brand new.

[QUOTE="ZOD777"]

I am pretty much done with the series. After playing 2, I was hopeful, but Brotherhood just feels like the same game and it looks like Revelations isn't much better. Maybe Ubisoft is getting lazy. It is a shame too, Ubi is one of my favorite developers.

FelipeInside

ehhh, they are meant as expansions packs to part 2, so they are going to be similar. They just carry the Enzio story forward and finish it with Revelations...

No they are not meant as expansions. An expansion usually requires the original game (yes there are plenty of stand alone expansions) but these games are releasing as full seperate titles. Nowhere do they claim that these are expansions to AC2. I guess you are giving them a pass for laziness by making excuses for them. I was done with Madden in 2003, I am done with COD, and now done with AC. I don't want recycled games, I want new ones.

By the way, his name is Ezio (pronounced Et-see-oh), do you even own the game?

wow op you need to chill out patches will come eventually not the end of the world. scotty992

Well, most people come to forums for assistance or to have questions answered, but some people just like to irritate others. I just don't appreciate it when people are sarcastic or rude for no apparent reason. This is exaclty why I don't like these forums. Over half the users are immature teenagers. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but that doesn't mean they should utter them every chance they get. You obviously fall in the like to irritate others category. I know the patches will come out EVENTUALLY, my whole point is that they are supposed to be here already and they are not. Consumers typically don't like being lied to, I guess you are happy with unfinished products.