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#1 _koolgirl_
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First off, I know the 360 has sold better than the Dreamcast.

 

But lets look at things as they stand.  The 360 clearly is not as future-proof as the PS3.  It will not last as many years.  Is it a good sytem?  Absolutely!  The Dreamcast was a great system too and one of the first to show me the real potential of home 3D graphics, the first time I saw Crazy Taxi running at a smooth 60fps I knew 3D graphics had finally reached acceptable standards.

 

The 360 (just like the DC) is attempting to revolutionize the way we play console games multiplayer.  The DC had its built-in modem and grandios online service plans.  The 360 actually realizes these plans, but leave much room for improvement just as the DC did.

 

The 360 has many excellent exclusive games, but because the previous Xbox was not as popular the selection is limited.  Just like the DC... HOWEVER what is there is excellent, but maybe just not enough to rival the Playstation and its horde of talented programmers making exclusive titles, just like the PS2.

 

True, the 360 is doing better than the Dreamcast ever did but the fact remains, it probably has a 2-3 year lifespan at best, once the PS3 steamroller passes through it will fade away but never be completely forgotten.  I respect the 360 for what it has brought to the gaming industry but lets face it, the real deal is the Playstation 3.  It has the games, the support, the hardware and the userbase to succeed.  We'll speak fondly of the 360 years from now, as an excellent platform with some excellent titles, but the true legend of next-gen belongs to the PS3, like it or not.

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First off, the 360 is not as "future proof" as PS3??  That is only Sony propaganda.  Why are they,  because of Blu ray??  Blu ray that has nothing to do with gaming but only Sony hoping to fill their pockets with royalties from all the Movie Studios.?  With PS2 it was different.  DVD was the new sure thing, PS2 was the cheapest way to get it.  PS3 did it so early that by the time Blu Ray is the next big thing, players will be so cheap it will no longer be considered a selling point.

If Ps2 came out right now with DVD plyback, who wold care when you can buy a standalone for $30???

 The PS2 had many exclusive games because of it's userbase.  The PS3 is not selling well which is why franchises like Devil May Cry "jump ship" , not to mention all the "exclusives" that turned out not to be (Assassins Creed, Unreal Tournament 3, Mercenaries 2, etc).  You claim 360  has few exclusive titles due to last gen yet fail to recognise one of them is Halo (only outsold by GTA last gen) or that MS has strived to increase it's exclusive library by signing on companies like Mistwalker to make Blue Dragon and Lost Oddyssey.  They have made contracts with companies like Epic for Gears of War.  Their exclusives are FAR stronger this gen than last.  Sony does have a horde of talent yet it is funny most people don't bring up Jak and Daxter, Socom, Rachett and Clank, Ape Escape or the Getaway when speaking of Sony systems, Sony systems were sold because of 3rd party support (FF, MGS, Devil May Cry among many many others).  Sony has been doing nothing but lose 3rd party exclusives lately.

 For your final point, PS3 has "the games, support, hardware and userbase to succeed".  Does it??  It has the games?  6 month old 360 games??  A big number of games now going to both systems?  What games are there to pull a 360 owner over?

Userbase is subject, the casual base goes to the cheapest system which has the most games.  That is Wii or 360 right now.

It is just a completely different scenario this time.  While people completely ignored DC in wait of the PS2, they didn't do this with 360.  More often than not I heard people say they would get a 360 and trade it in later for a PS3.  Then the price came out, then the system came out with a bunch of dud games, now it's getting a ton of games that have been on 360 for 6 or more months, not to mention all the bad press.  People who "used" to be Sony fans are now happy owners of a 360.

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[QUOTE="ShakeNBake1491"][QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="Fee117"]i always saw it as nintendo getting so much hate ever since gamecube and wii came out. besides, if anything nintendo helped gaming, and i have no idea how someone could dream up a way that nintendo hurt gaming.Gamer46


And ironically enough, they are now trying to ruin the very industry that they once saved.

I don't see how they're ruining it by changing it's direction :?



Because they don't care about deep game experiences.  They'd rather give us Cooking Mama, Wii Play, Wario Ware, etc.  I want something that actually has some depth to it.  Nintendo used to be a company that could appeal to everybody, now, I think they've lost touch.  I will give them credit for this though, they found a way to get back to the top by drawing in non-gamers, and really appealing to females.  Because of this, they will have the highest installed base this gen, and third parties will flock to the system with crappy games that appeal to that audience and continue to port over their last gen games as well.  In the end, I don't see this as being good and it will certainly lead to less games like MGS, Halo, GTA, Assassin's Creed, etc because those games take too much time and money to make.  Fortunately, the PC market exists, so when Nintendo is done ruining console gaming, I'll just move on.  I'm not buying MS or Sony's next machines because I know they're going to go down the same path as Nintendo.

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I have agreed with you on the Wii before regarding certain issues.  However Nintendo has it's own market and even with it's installed base I don't think it will harm the industry.

I will give examples why.  Game tie in ratio is just as important as installed base. 

360 has the biggest games bought per console ratio.  Companies like Capcom can be nothing but happy with the results of games like Dead Rising and Lost Planet.

I personally know casuals who LOVE the Wii, yet they are older.  They love the Wii sports but have bought nothing since.  They rented games (like Zelda, COD3 etc) yet they were all too "complicated" for them to enjoy.  So Nintendo may have made a buck off the console sale, but good luck selling these people software.

Then you have people like me, I own one but anything multiplat I will likely buy on 360 for the acheivement points.  I rented Rayman for the Wii  and enjoyed it but, I knew it was coming out on 360 as well and am still hoping for online multiplayer.  I will purchase the game for 360 if for no other reason than to send the message that a game like that can do well on 360.

That only leaves Nintendo diehards, which only purchase Nintendo made games anyway.

In other words, last gen , Nintendo had the installed base Xbox did, yet support for Xbox grew while support for GCN declined.  GCN owners were not buying 3rd party games while Xbox owners were.

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"Atari files a lawsuit against Nintendo for US$250 million in US District Court. Atari accuses Nintendo of violation of anti-trust laws, due to Nintendo's licensing agreements preventing licensees from releasing game titles on competing systems for two years."

Nintendo even went as far as to say if you released a game on anything other than a nintendo console you could no longer make games for there system.  It truely bothers me you all don't know this iinformation.
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I know this, matter of factly, I think Nintendo is the only company to actually be CONVICTED of an anti trust lawsuit pertaining to gaming.

However most people don't. 

Nintendo gets the love because they make great games.  Older gamers grew up with Nintendo (and when I was 12, I didn't know of the lawsuits etc)  I skipped SNES and N64 and didn't rediscover my fondness for Nintendo untill Gamecube.  If you look at Gamecube's track record, there were just too many AA and AAA games made in house (that will never appear anywhere but on a Nintendo console) to ignore. 

That said, I couldn't be satisfied with a Wii as my only console.  However as a secondary, the Nintendo exclusives will make it worth the purchase.  Nintendo excels using their own hardware in inventive ways. 

We could have this same convo in 10 years referring to Sony fanboys.  For anyone in their teens, they "grew up" on Sony hardware.  People have fond memories of what they played as a kid.

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[But yet I am not wrong the console had a 10 year life cycle.InfamousC

No, your not wrong in that respect, but then again what is the point of even bringing up the 10 year life cycle thing in the first place????  If it will not be a viable sysem with software releases for 10 years then who gives a crap?

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In other words you can claim the PS3 will have a 10 year cycle, but if no more software comes out for it after 2011, why hold on to it instead of upgrading to PS4???????????????
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[QUOTE="_koolgirl_"][QUOTE="InfamousC"]

Just because Sony says PS3 will have a 10 year life cycle didn't mean they won't release a new console beforehand. PSone had a 10 year life cyclce before Sony stopped production and they have same goals for PS2.

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Do you hear yourself?  PSone had a 10 year lifecycle??  So there were still games coming out for it in 2005???  There were maybe a handful of games coming out for it each year after PS2s release.  For a couple years anyway.    I would say at the very most 7 years. 

Sony manufactured the PSone for 10 years.

Who cares if they produced the system for ten years??  Who was still buying it in 2003-5?  What were they producing, a few mill to replace the broken ones??  I know I have not seen one in Wal-Mart since 2002 so I am not sure where these mystery systems were going to.  More importantly hardware without software is useless.  Software was not being made for 10 years.

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Just because Sony says PS3 will have a 10 year life cycle didn't mean they won't release a new console beforehand. PSone had a 10 year life cyclce before Sony stopped production and they have same goals for PS2.

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Do you hear yourself?  PSone had a 10 year lifecycle??  So there were still games coming out for it in 2005???  There were maybe a handful of games coming out for it each year after PS2s release.  For a couple years anyway.    I would say at the very most 7 years. 

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I have to agree with Gamer 46 for the most part.

The one game I played that I really liked (and will buy sooner or later) is Elebits.  It is very Katamari Damacy-ish.  I plan to rent Wario Ware at some point and am looking forward to future games(love Animal Crosing, Mario, the new Sims looks like they are going for a more Animal Crossing type game).  Also looking forward to games like Cooking Mama as I own a PSP but not a DS.

For the most part Wii Sports gets old FAST and Wii Play was just awful.  I was hoping for some multiplayer fun with Wii Play but was dissapointed in the games (they seem oddly less responsive then Wii sports). At least I got an extra Wii Mote :)

In the end, if you are a fan of Nintendo games, buy it.  It will be worth it for the Marios, Metroids, Zeldas, etc.  If your not really a fan of those, don't expect the the new way of playing to make it worth it to you.

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#9 _koolgirl_
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Add:

Earth Defense Force 2017

Moto GP 07

Tetris Evolution

Vampire's Rain

Why would you not add Fuzion Frenzy 2 or Bomberman?  I know they didn't get the best scores, but you still have Gundam Crossfire on your PS3 list right? ;)  Incidently, why is Dynasty Warriors on your PS3 list?

Also for PC/360:

Condemned Criminal Origins (the PS3 version was cancelled right?)

Call of Juarez

Monster Madness:Battle for Suburbia

Age of Conan Hyborian Adventures

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Not that it really matters, but, Endless Saga was canceled.  Fatal Inertia is multiplat now.  Ubisoft bought the rights to Driver, so I can't imagine it being exclusive but who knows.