Flops are based on sales, not on what some idiot gave it for a score. If sales are poor, ill admit its a flop. Until then im gonna go enjoy the demo.PSBox3SixWi

Wow, do you make up your own rules and impose them upon others often?

Flop- A game that has not lived up to System Wars expectations, such as when a game is hyped AAA and gets below AAA status, or when a game is hyped to a certain score and fails to achieve it. DOES NOT determine the worth of the game.

From the informational thread located here:  http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=23880802

Because no game that scores less than an 8 on Gamespot is worth owning, much less playing. /threadJandurin

Hopefully that is dripping with sarcasm.

I've said this before, and I'll say it again.Why do people immediately see a game rated below an 8 as a bad one?Super-Mario-Fan

I have no idea.  I am loving Crackdown, actually really enjoyed Ninety-Nine Nights (not a great game, but fun nonetheless), and the original Shenmue is my favorite game of all time (followed by the second Shenmue). 

[QUOTE="Innocentguy757"][QUOTE="WiiForAll"]

[QUOTE="Innocentguy757"]It didn't flop....it just didn't live up to hype. And this one is SURE to be 3x what Fable ever was. This game could definetley rival Final Fantasy.WiiForAll

Which is fancy doubletalk for FLOP.

Sales don't determine floppage here, smart guy. GS scores do. Otherwise, people wouldn't be able to bring up the 8.8 score when talking about the godly Twilight Princess.

Exactly.  Sadly this is the second time I've had to do this in a day, but here is a quote from the informational thread regarding what a flop is: 

Flop- A game that has not lived up to System Wars expectations, such as when a game is hyped AAA and gets below AAA status, or when a game is hyped to a certain score and fails to achieve it. DOES NOT determine the worth of the game.

I wish people would stop making up their own definitions of words here.  Just read the informational thread, it's not that tough.

Agreed. Except for its Shiny finish, gears was a mediocre game at best. But Lemmings all the lemmings fooled themselves into thinking it was better than it really is. Ive always held the opinion that as far as cover based shooters go, GRAW is better.jigglebilly1983

Sounds like you have fooled yourself into thinking your opinion = fact.  Pity. 

Some people love it.  I've not had that much fun with a shooter in a long time, Halo included.  But you may just write that off as me fooling myself since it does not match your opinion that it is mediocre at best.

[QUOTE="aliasfreak"]

Where does it say that under a 7 is a flop?  It specifically points out that the term flop does not determine the worth of a game.  So, is the under 7 rule on some other page?

Jandurin

I've been quoting that for over a month, I've never seen it there.  Every now and then I break down and do what I did here and quote the rules.  Maybe the under 7 rules was there only for a short while, I don't know.

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[QUOTE="mwa"][QUOTE="Kayrod29"][QUOTE="wmc540"]No hype = No flopsmwa

What ownage is there to approve? That's not a rule here.

Here is the quote from the informational thread: 

Flop- A game that has not lived up to System Wars expectations, such as when a game is hyped AAA and gets below AAA status, or when a game is hyped to a certain score and fails to achieve it. DOES NOT determine the worth of the game.

Where does it say that under a 7 is a flop?  It specifically points out that the term flop does not determine the worth of a game.  So, is the under 7 rule on some other page?

P.S.  Here is the link for those too lazy to make the two clicks required to find it themselves:  http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=23880802

if the demand is unpresidented for the ps3 then what is the wii doing?? and the 360 is still outselling it in the US

laughingman42

Good question!  Oh, and great PS3_FTW quote in your sig.  The ignorance of some people is staggering, is it not?

[QUOTE="sirk1264"]I almost pretty sure cows made fun of the 360 when they announced their backwards compatibility list and that it was limited. Now cows say its no big deal. Well i think cows are two faced here on this subject. Nike_Air

This whole BC issue doesn't really affect me since I still have my PS2 and it is so small, but I think the larger issue here is the fact that Europe keeps getting screwed by Sony.  NA and Japan got a better console for a cheaper price at an earlier date.  Europe was told that they would get it at the same time as the rest of the world and I'm guessing they assumed they would get a console that is of identical quality.  I think that is why this is such a big issue, the focus is on the screwage, not the BC.  That is my focus at least. 

Oh, and I do hate the poor BC on the 360.  My Xbox is a lot bigger than my PS2, so it takes up a lot more room.  I have had to pack up my 360 due to space limitations. 

Rainbow 6: Vegas

LOTR: BFME 2

F.E.A.R.

Blue Dragon

Lost Odyssey

Halo 3

Mass Effect

Bioshock

Eternal Sonata

Assassin's Creed

Fable 2 (if it is 2007)

+ others I just can't think of right now.  For just the ones above, it is about $660 after tax.