I still think that thread shouldn't have been locked though, and instead the flaming/disruptive posts could have individually been removed or moderated.

Rather have religion in one big thread, than 10 threads a day.

Damn man this should be the stuff going mainstream, and the stuff like t.i crunk, the south, lil wayne, jeezy and all those suckers should get off TV. how can uneducated people like camron be mainstream?

Best song ever is still 2pac: brenda's got a baby

Stuff like that is never on anymore. You had 2Pac with the real emotions and struggle, you had talented MCs, you had diversity, you had street poet Nas, there was way more. Today even though we still got Wu-Tang, pharoahe, common, talib and mosdef, and a lot of other guys, that stuff doesn't get near as much air-time as the other crap.

If you're Ice Cube, you can do Gangsta Rap, but for the others that just want to sell records...damn man.

:( What happened to educated rap...what happened to educated people being on TV (suckers like bill o reilly making money on FOX), not to mention USA has the worst education of any 1st world country, as well as less than some 2nd world countries. Heh.

doesnt seem too surprising, but GTA4 and MGS4 may have a chance to beat it, but only a slim or marginal chance.Goliath_unit

GTA4 possibly, but most of the mainstream does not know or care about MGS4.

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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]Maybe you should have read the last post.CptJSparrow

The Hitler stuff? I don't know too much about him to even put up an argument.

oOo

The thread had a lot of bashing, but it was fun! Longest religion thread ever hah. After that thread though, the thread starter [mohan] makes a new thread every hour...but he will never make another religion thread as long :)

Maybe you should have read the last post.CptJSparrow

The Hitler stuff? I don't know too much about him to even put up an argument.

If you guys have not yet already, then read this thread, which was the biggest thread ever in Gamespot's history.

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25455823&page=0

I don't know why it got locked, it had the best discussion ever, concerning Science, Christianity, Islam, and other debates.

Casey and some others defended Christianity. Siddiqui and others defended Islam. Many others defended none and only Science. Best thread ever!

Also quoted by Siddiqui (Gamespot User)

What's said in the Bible is to be taken with a grain of salt. Unlike the Qur'an, there's no proof that the Bible today is the Bible revealed to Jesus (upon him be peace) the messiah, son of Mary. The bible was not written down during his life. The 'Q document' was only compiled well after his death. Furthermore, the oldest whole copies of the gospel that exist today still date several hundreds of years after the death of the Jesus (upon him be peace.) Furthermore again, not only do these copies contradict each other, they also contradict every bible that exists today. So forget about having it in its original Aramaic language. The NIV or KJV are no Q documents. We have no idea what proportion of the Bible today is true and what is false. But God does not forsake his creation - never.

This is why we have the Qur'an. The verses of the Qur'an were written down immediately after they were revealed to the Prophet (peace be upon him) by any one of 40 appointed trusted scribes. Between these and the oldest full copies of the Quran there is only one 'link Quran' - the compilation, checking and authentication of which is well documented. The two oldest full copies of the Qur'an date back 14 centuries to less than 20 years after the death of the Prophet. These copies are not only identical to each other but identical to each and every Qur'an that exists today - to the letter. Oh, and yep, they're both in Arabic of course.

This is a HUGE deal when it comes to things like prophecies. The prophecies in the Bible are somewhat compelling and give some indication that at least some parts of the book are likely of divine source (as Muslims do believe - still, no one knows which parts or even which proportion of the book remains of divine source after these millenia.) The Qur'an has prophecies as well which prove its divine source, but in this case we know that every single letter of the Qur'an is still exactly what was revealed to the Prophet. The whole book is truth. Furthermore, almost all - the exceptions being the Day of Judgment and a few of the events that are to occur slightly before it - of these prophecies have come true and are accurate. The prophecies are also very specific. Even the most persistent cynics in denial can't go with the usual "oh, well, these prophecies were made up afterwards and added to the book, yeah" argument because as you know now the authenticity of the Quran is highly verified.

Still, I won't dwell on prophecies. When God wants to give a sign to people he gives them one they understand and respect. During Moses' (upon him be peace) time they respected magic; God gave Moses a hand that would glow after being put on his chest and a stick that would turn into a snake when thrown to the ground (oh, it parted the seas... that too.) During Jesus' (upon him be peace) time medicine was starting to be big; God made Jesus cure the lepers and raise the dead. During Muhammad's (peace be upon him) time the Arabs respected mastery of poetry and Arabic language; the Qur'an was a most impossibly excellent and uncompromisingly beautiful combination of poetry and prose rhetoric the likes of which they could never have imagined let alone have ever seen or heard. Now, what do people of today respect?

- SCIENCE

Muhammad (peace be upon him) is not with us anymore, but God always will be and He has preserved the Qur'an Muhammad (peace be upon him) taught us and He created it prepared for times that would come. The Quran contains multitudes of references to scientific facts that have only been discovered in the last century - and they are far more compelling than those found in the bible. It's amazing that a document proven to be 1400 years old tells of information of this nature without making even a single subtle mistake or blunder. It was impossible for any man in any position in that century - in that millennia - to know this much let alone an Arab merchant that was so completely unschooled and didn't even know how to read or write. The bible has some interesting stuff, which is expected, but this stuff is much more compelling - especially when combined with the proven authenticity of the Quran. The Big-Bang theory, embryological development, expanding universe, origin of stars and planets - it's all there. What I'm going to mention is just the top of it. Do follow the links I give as they really show how subtle yet detailed and perfect the statements and word choice in the Qur'an is and also give more examples.

"Cosmic 'Smoke'"
http://www.55a.net/eng/dust1.htm
Sura Al-Dhareyat - "Drivers of the Wind", verse 47:
"Then turned He to the heaven when it was smoke, and said to it and to the earth: Come both, willingly or unwillingly."
How does a 7th century Arab man know stars and planets are formed by Nebulas?
Sura Al-Anbeyaa (The prophets) -verse 30:
"Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth used to be one solid mass that we exploded into existence? And from water we have made everything living. Will they not then believe?"
How does a 7th century Arab man know about the Big Bang and the fact that the earliest known forms of life on the planet were from the ocean?
Sura Al-Dhareyat verse 47:
"We have built the heaven with might, and We will continue to expand it."
How does a 7th century Arab man know about the expanding universe theory?

Embryology
http://www.55a.net/eng/2b1.htm
(The Qur'an, 96:1-3)
"Recite: In the name of your Lord Who created man from 'Alaq'"
The human embryo clings to the wall of the uterus, is leach like since it derives all its nutrients from its mother and is like congealed blood in that it has some blood but that blood is stagnant.
'Alaq is an Arabic word that means "a thing that that clings to some place." The word is also used to refer to leeches. It also means a clot or congealed blood. A word with three meanings fulfills all its meanings about one of the earliest stages in human development in a 1400 year old document.

Referring to Mointains as pegs.
http://www.55a.net/eng/25.htm
"Have we not made the earth as a wide expanse, and the mountains as pegs?" (Quran 78: 6-7)
A peg has the majority of its mass under a surface and stabilizes something. It was only finally theorized in 1865 that the vast majority of a mountain's mass was actually underground. So how do mountains stabilize anything?
"He set on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with you." (Quran 3: 10)
It's now known starting in the 60s that mountains play a role in halting plate tectonic movements. How could anyone back then have gone about figuring about plate tectonics, much less how they are stopped?

Let me tell you what the Arabs believed at the time. They believed the sky was a giant frikkin' DOME. Yeah, why not. They thought there were stars because there were holes in the dome and there was a big fire outside where light came from. The sky was supposedly blue 'cus there was a big ocean outside (rain would happen when there was a leak.) So they lived under this wicked underwater revolving dome with this crazy fire on top of it all. We don't know what it was like back then. Did they actually believe that stuff? Maybe - maybe not - but that was really the best they could come up with. How could a common unlettered unschooled Arab merchant suddenly figure it all out? I don't need to spell it out for you that it must have instead been from a divine being.

I really recommend visiting this site: http://www.55a.net/eng/index.htmbecause I haven't mentioned A LOT of stuff. The site goes into more science stuff (both on stuff I mentioned and stuff I didn't), some mathematical stuff and some prophecies. But even that site doesn't have it all because there's stuff on calculating the speed of light with the Quran, stages of the Big Bang, a whole bunch of stuff I haven't mentioned and probably a whole bunch of stuff I haven't even seen yet.

Have I gotten into signs in the Hadith (narrations about the prophet)? Like the one where women will start wearing clothes as a second skin (skin tight clothing you see girls wearing today) and make their hair like the humps of a camel (curling their hair.) Or how about the one where the prophet says that one of signs of coming of the Day of Judgment is that everybody will be walking around in the streets with musical instruments on their head dancing to the music all the while. This was the oddest thing to the Arab: how is everybody going to afford multiple instruments, how are they going to carry it on the heads, how are they going dance with this stuff on their head, why would they do this embarrassing thing in the streets, and wouldn't it get to loud to appreciate the music with everyone doing it? Nope. iPod. (not so crazy anymore eh?)

I could go on and on but this post is long and there are literally hundreds upon hundreds of signs that would take forever for me to write. I made this post not to demoralize anyone but because: 1. I don't like falsehood and 2. Like many, I don't hate people enough to want them become evil or anything and go to the Hellfire. So take this as a fair warning which is your right over me as fellow human beings. Islam is very real. Hell is very real. Heaven is very real. Take time to study Islam, there are a lot of misconceptions.

La ilaha ilallah muhammadur rasulallah
"There is none worthy of worshipbut God and Muhammad is his messenger."

If I've written anything good it's from God so praise Him. If I've written anything wrong it's from me so please forgive me.