My honest opinion now. buy ps4 pro or one x and Im sure you will be gaming and having tons of fun using those machines.

on topic 100 dollars less and a game included on ps4 pro might be a decisive factor for some people

ps4 pro will benefict you with more stable fps on boost mode and patched games will run at 1440p and 1660p native to 4k that increase image quality on your 4k tv.

Id say yes its worth it

I got xbox 360 slim (black and sleek what a beauty) for 200 and still runs like the wind.

Ps4 pro will cost 349 not 399 (50 less)

I understand this topic is based on current prices but at 350 price point ps4 pro + game + controller is a great deal compared to one x with controller and no game.

on november/december:

ps4 pro + game + controller 350

vs

xbox one x + controller 500

borderlands handsome collection is a hell og a ride (it contains borderlands 2 and ore sequel and all dlc).

I believe gtx 1070 8gb vram + i7 7700hq and 16gb ram with 120hz 1080p monitor is the ultimate future proof laptop for gaming.

This laptop I just mentioned will be young forever and run all games. If you want future proof this is the best in my opinion

Exacly I also start to belive that all these haters are just people (saying kids would be childish of me xD) that only own a certain system.

Many got pc that are now old with the excuse of using it for school homework and projects.

But it seems that all these haters are just people limited to one platform.

I own all recent consoles and 1070 16gb ram i7 7700k pc (It costed me 1500 thats why I calculated 1000 for one x pc equivalent ..and I still belive is around that price) and I would never attack ps4 pro saying its crap because Ive seen its amazing games with neutral eyes and they are gorgeous. thats it.. limitedto1platform plebs are the source of all hate xD

@ArchoNils2: I said all over the internet people use these arguments. And I want to know what you think. Also if even knowing all that if you still dislike ps4 pro or onex and why.

Thats why I posted here to get feedback not guys telling 'its system wars' duh

Im here to talk about both xbox one x and ps4 pro.

When the pro came out and even now people everywhere say 'its just upscaled from 1080p' (even saw people saying ia just Hd upscaled to 4k) when its well known ps4 pro runs patched games natively at 1440p..1660p and 1880p and then uses checkboard tecnique to upacale to 4k with great quality.

Its not 4k but they are prentending its crap when its kinda close to 4k and looks increbibly good on 4k hdr tvs.

That for a 400€ machine with game and controller (will be 350 on one x release)

One X is also being attacked everywhere by haters and fanboys. It runs gears halo forza ans couple more great games in 4k 60fps.

Some games will be 4k 30fps.

Some games will be checkboard 4k.

Is it really that bad of a machine for just 500?

I dont know about you but building a equivalent pc is 1000+

just stop the hate?

omg here one s 1tb 2 games 2 controler is 330€... why so much there