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[QUOTE="bastards12345"]So, then, your definition of the soul would mean being self-aware? As you said, this is not a state we have when we sleep, and involuntary actions can continue whilst we sleep. But if the data processed in the brain is stored in another location as well as being stored in the brain, how is it that when an individual suffers memory loss they still show it? If the soul exists as another data storage, wouldn't the person continue to have the information after the brain is damaged, or is the soul a kind of RAM?Siddiqui

Yes, self-aware is another word you can use.

And no, there's no indication the soul holds anything. It just has to recieve it. Memory is only held in our bodies, our brain.

Why does it have to receive it?
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Artus, there's still a problem of definitions between us in this discussion. I have realized this but I can't tell if you have.

Also, before I move on, I'm not sure if this is the case but it seems you might be underestimating my understanding of the brain. I have taken Neuroscience as a graduate so when you mention "higher brain functions" I do know what you are talking about better than you do. I honestly don't mean to gloat or put you down. Just saying to make you sure this is not an issue of me not understanding brain anatomy or function and so you don't end up repeating explanations or anything.

Now for definitions, I'll try a diagram.

stimulus -> nerve ->[[processing in brain]] ->nerves -> response [facial expression, emotive expressions, crying with tears, laughter, verbaly declaring their pain, etc.]

I DO NOT CALL ANY OF THESE THE SOUL. These are the material aspects which I referred to that I was isolating OUT of the definition. These are all material aspects. The soul is where results of processing would be sent - aside from the nerves. This is the diagram with the soul:

[soul]
^
I
stimulus -> nerve ->[[processing in brain]] ->nerves -> response [facial expression, emotive expressions, crying with tears, laughter, verbaly declaring their pain, etc.]

[Note the single direction of the arrow to the soul - it's one way only.] You may now refer to my previous posts on how one would know the soul exists in their own case.

[QUOTE="Atrus"]Awareness is a higher brain function that we can now detect in other primates. As a thinking being you need to be aware of input as a method of the decision making process, such as making a difference between severe burns and freezes. Even though the body sends the signals, the body is not going to take care of itself until you are aware of it to think cognitively about the appropriate way to deal with the situation. Siddiqui

No, you do not. You do not have to be aware of input any more than a computer needs to be aware of input in order to take action. The input only neads to be processed. The awareness you are referring to is simply the processing of the nerve signals into appropriate responses. I am not referring to this as the soul.

You're awareness is a higher brain function that allows us to create and choose for our own survival advantage. That it hurts is just a signal. Awareness tells us the relative intensity so we can determine what is the problem and the severity.Atrus

It is the processing that determines the nature and severity of the threat based on the input received. It also the processing that determines which response would best ensure survival. These responses include but are not limited to [facial expression, emotive expressions, crying with tears, laughter, verbaly declaring their pain, etc.]

A person without a soul would 'feel' the same when they are unconscious as they 'feel' when they are awake - they wouldn't feel. They would simply process and act as a "normal, lively, expressive human body does." They would feel no different from how a robot would feel [even a fully expressive one that expresses every single emotional behavioral response humans do in the same situations.]

So, then, your definition of the soul would mean being self-aware? As you said, this is not a state we have when we sleep, and involuntary actions can continue whilst we sleep. But if the data processed in the brain is stored in another location as well as being stored in the brain, how is it that when an individual suffers memory loss they still show it? If the soul exists as another data storage, wouldn't the person continue to have the information after the brain is damaged, or is the soul a kind of RAM?
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[QUOTE="Loonie"]oh wow the stupidity in that video hurt my brain. Not to worry though, those kids will grow up and the smarter ones will begin to question the propaganda they have been fed their whole lives.

Most of them won't, actually, but the few who do will make a difference.
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Fighting off evolution is like fighting off gravity. No matter how hard you deny it's existence, it still happens.
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agnostic is better than both because we have less choices.freek_brothers
You can be agnostic and be theistic or atheistic...
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#6 bastards12345
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How can you believe in any of the big religions? People are stupid and gullible.
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[QUOTE="Marx_Brother"][QUOTE="a55assin"][QUOTE="Marx_Brother"][QUOTE="a55assin"][QUOTE="Marx_Brother"]

Germany already aren't allowed to attack another country... methinks they are using this idea to start another war.

a55assin

 

Aren't allowed to attack another country? Is there a mother country ruling over the world that I don't know about? War isn't a chess game...it's war

The bundeswehr is defence only, no attacking. Do you think we could trust germans to have attacking powers after 2 world wars? I think not.

 

They have a limited army...yes. But a country cannot just tell another one not to go to war. It doesn't make sense. What happened in WWII? Germany wasn't supposed to have an army..and yet they almost took over the freakin world.

Well, if German tried any of that crap again we would probably nuke them and give half of their country to Poland and France.

 

Poland deserves it...and we wouldn't actually nuke them. Anyways...we are at war right now...soon to be in another war....fighting like 3 countries...think that US can just pull soldiers out of their ass?

How does Poland deserve the German Fatherland? The Germans were already forced go hand over Prussia...
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[QUOTE="Marx_Brother"][QUOTE="a55assin"][QUOTE="Marx_Brother"]

Germany already aren't allowed to attack another country... methinks they are using this idea to start another war.

a55assin

Aren't allowed to attack another country? Is there a mother country ruling over the world that I don't know about? War isn't a chess game...it's war

The bundeswehr is defence only, no attacking. Do you think we could trust germans to have attacking powers after 2 world wars? I think not.

They have a limited army...yes. But a country cannot just tell another one not to go to war. It doesn't make sense. What happened in WWII? Germany wasn't supposed to have an army..and yet they almost took over the freakin world.

Hitler rebuilt the army without anyone noticing and everyone was furthermore pissed at the fact that the Versailles treaty limited the German army to 100,000. Germans felt threatened by France and that they couldn't defend themselves. Now, I don't see that as a problem. I see no problem with allowing Germany to join with a European army, as they will not have total control of it. Who the hell would fall for another wannabe dictator anyway? Who would fall for another Enabling Act?
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[QUOTE="Marx_Brother"]

Germany already aren't allowed to attack another country... methinks they are using this idea to start another war.

a55assin

Aren't allowed to attack another country? Is there a mother country ruling over the world that I don't know about? War isn't a chess game...it's war

It's like with Japan. They are only allowed to have a very small army and only allowed to mobilize for defense.
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Germany already aren't allowed to attack another country... methinks they are using this idea to start another war.

Marx_Brother
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