[QUOTE="bastards12345"][QUOTE="Chris72b9"][QUOTE="bastards12345"][QUOTE="Dasc00"][QUOTE="bastards12345"][QUOTE="Dasc00"]]if u are an athiest you assume that matter can make it's self... my point is you are assuming either way.....and saying "we simple dont have the answers" is not the point.... no matter what, you have faith.... either that there is a God, or that there is not.... b/c we will never know for sure...Chris72b9
except we have facts You have theories. :| Example? Evolution obviously would be a good example. It's a feasible theory, but with most of the athiests here saying "[physically] show me that God exists" shouldn't they also be asking "physically show me evolution has occured." Ancient artifacts (i.e. fossils) are once again, feasible, but with the atheistic logic/reasoning here ("Show me God exists") shouldn't you have to physically show animals evolving and adapting (which is obviously not possible) for them to believe evolution occured? As you said, you couldn't sit there and see an animal evolving, but I guess I should quote a post I made about two hours ago...
[QUOTE="caseypayne69"] Its funny how you attack him for things he hasn't seen, then spout off on evolution. Something else mankind hasn't seen. Its extreamly funny.bastards12345
Is that so? Observed instances of speciation. Homo sapiens couldn't consume milk until cows were raised. The link between apes and man revealed. Ken Miller discusses the discovery of the whale transitions. Ken Miller discusses the discovery of blood transitions. These can be more critically researched in documents on google, but I figured you'd prefer to watch a video than to read long articles. I looked through all of the links, but the last one. I wanted to comment on the Ken Miller adressing the whale transitions. He was talking about the "swimming whale that walks." I was wondering though, if the whale did infact evolve from a land mammal, to one that lives in the ocean, and then taking "survival of the fittest" into account, how would the whale survive through it's intermediate stages? The stages (however many hundreds-of-thousands/millions of years it spent in the process of evolving) where it could walk and swim must have been a difficult transition. Now, don't you think that would take a nearly perfect creature to survive through such a transition? The only problem would be, if it was nearly perfect, why did it continue to evolve? The biggest question here (to sum this up) would be that in such a harsh transition, how could it survive? To answer that, we'd have to identify its eating habits and its predators.
[QUOTE="bastards12345"]Er...it's not the end of the world at all...they don't even say that it ends.:| December 21st, 2012 is many things: The Winter Solstice, the day that the earth completes its axial rotation xaos
There is no privileged starting point for axial rotation. Actually, the Earth undergoes an axial rotation daily...
the day that the sun becomes perfectly aligned with the center of the Milky Way bastards12345
What the heck does this mean? The 56,000 year rotation...don't remember what it's called. Though you do have a good point in that there wouldn't be a starting point. I'm only saying what I have heard on the subject. On the subject of it being aligned with the center of the galaxy, the night sky is divided into lines like a grid. One of these lines is the axis of the Milky Way galaxy. Another line would be the cosmological ecliptic.
[QUOTE="Dasc00"][QUOTE="bastards12345"][QUOTE="Dasc00"][QUOTE="bastards12345"][QUOTE="Dasc00"][QUOTE="bastards12345"][QUOTE="Dasc00"][QUOTE="bastards12345"][QUOTE="Dasc00"] Free will and magic are the same thing. How so? You're answering my question because I had a question. I was asking how 'magic and free will are the same Go back in time and change your answer. You can't. Would you have to will too? Do you mean "would you have the will to" or do you mean "would you have the will to will it?" Would you have the will to...you;re supposed to answer yes, then I'm supposed to say it's impossible like you said earlier. You're blocked. But my main point was, as you read this right now, you're being affected into posting a reply to this, or maybe you aren't. Free will is an illusion, you're just going with the flow. Yeah, I know that.....I was wondering what your reasoning was behind free will and magic being the same thing....
[QUOTE="bastards12345"][QUOTE="Dasc00"][QUOTE="bastards12345"][QUOTE="Dasc00"]]if u are an athiest you assume that matter can make it's self... my point is you are assuming either way.....and saying "we simple dont have the answers" is not the point.... no matter what, you have faith.... either that there is a God, or that there is not.... b/c we will never know for sure...Chris72b9
except we have facts You have theories. :| Example? Evolution obviously would be a good example. It's a feasible theory, but with most of the athiests here saying "[physically] show me that God exists" shouldn't they also be asking "physically show me evolution has occured." Ancient artifacts (i.e. fossils) are once again, feasible, but with the atheistic logic/reasoning here ("Show me God exists") shouldn't you have to physically show animals evolving and adapting (which is obviously not possible) for them to believe evolution occured? As you said, you couldn't sit there and see an animal evolving, but I guess I should quote a post I made about two hours ago...
[QUOTE="caseypayne69"] Its funny how you attack him for things he hasn't seen, then spout off on evolution. Something else mankind hasn't seen. Its extreamly funny.bastards12345
Is that so? Observed instances of speciation. Homo sapiens couldn't consume milk until cows were raised. The link between apes and man revealed. Ken Miller discusses the discovery of the whale transitions. Ken Miller discusses the discovery of blood transitions. These can be more critically researched in documents on google, but I figured you'd prefer to watch a video than to read long articles.
[QUOTE="Dasc00"][QUOTE="bastards12345"][QUOTE="Dasc00"][QUOTE="bastards12345"][QUOTE="Dasc00"][QUOTE="bastards12345"][QUOTE="Dasc00"] Free will and magic are the same thing. How so? You're answering my question because I had a question. I was asking how 'magic and free will are the same Go back in time and change your answer. You can't. Would you have to will too? Do you mean "would you have the will to" or do you mean "would you have the will to will it?"
I don't like the way people seem to think "We wont evolve anymore because we don't need to" of course we don't need to evolve, but surely something like an extra eye, better eyes or better lungs would be great - I think we are more likely to evolve like better lungs, liver etc. but not really to the extent of an extra eye or an extra leg :P
Brainkiller05
Lance Armstrong's heart was genetically larger than normal. His routines made it even bigger. Some people have more efficient organs by heredity, but it won't pervade through the human race anytime soon.
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