First person shooters is a genre and I expect there to be a big amount of them.

the real issue I have is all the games with Zombies, I am sick to death of them, honestly I love Zombies I do but seriously stop making the same old games, the only Zombie game which differed from the rest and I honestly do not understand why no one has even attempted to make a better version is State Of Decay. the market is just flooded with zombies and it's getting tedious

@monson21502: Yep I got the PS3 launch day and there was maybe 1 or 2 games to play and that was it the rest were awful it took a good few years before games started to show the power of what a PS3 could do.

also this gen has been a real strange one with so many cross platform games, never have I seen so many, plus people keep moaning about leaving behind the PS3/360 in my eyes that needs to happen there nearly 10 years old, why is anyone still bothered we should of moved on years ago in my eyes, I don't believe the PS4 is the biggest upgrade and feel it may of come a couple of years before, but still there is enough evidence in the games we've got at least glances of what we could get if developers went full next gen instead of living in the past and using resources for them developments instead of going full steam ahead with current gen, esp when the PS4 has sold over 20m units, it's crazy to think were still getting games coming out which are on PS3

The problem the Xbox One has, is it's creation, they created at first the all in one box focusing all there efforts on Apps, TV connectivity, and then games second, they even said in an interview with the lead designer of the Xbox One that there plan wasn't to go for the all out gaming machine, but a box which could do everything, but of course thats when you get, yes it can do everything but it can only do everything ok, instead of focusing there effort on a gaming console, on which the 360 made it's fame before all the apps came as being the cheaper option and it's focus games, now they put it secondary to the apps, why??? because they make the most money from the apps being on there system. Of Course now we have phil trying to pull it back into a gaming system, but it's a uphill battle because the machine it self was designed with the console being an all rounded system rather than an all out game machine, but he is starting to pull it back a little but, to be quite honest I really don't see it touching PS4 sales, no matter what the fanboys say from either side, Sony do produce quality first party games, in a variety of genres, while Microsoft seem to focus on there main franchises which is around 4 or 5 genre's, Halo, Gears, Fable, Forza. That's not to say the Xbox One won't sell well, it is just the design process and first steps at launch which have failed them.

Not again. Time and Time again you bring these threads out, and Time and Time again you get the same answer.

In a consoles life cycle, this is way early, the PS3 didn't get a wow exclusive until just over a year in and it took around 2 or 3 years to get into the swings of things.

PS4 on the other hand, maybe not the wow factor, but the launch line up, was and still is the biggest launch round up of games ever to be released at launch, we've had a steady flow of good games, if you actually look to the future we have some of the most impressive games coming out. I'll say it one more time, Welcome to the beginning of a console life cycle, this is how it is, it seems you have been blinded by getting into gaming when most of the consoles were out and had already stacked up good game libraries for years.

All I'm going to say is Dying light is a multiply platform game, it has to be pretty level playing fields and it all depends on the developers not the console, look at The Order that's how good graphics can be, yes big open world games won't look as good but, Dying light is a prime example of playing it level.

How could you even think the PS4 was going to be the next best thing in graphics right from the off, it was pretty weak compared to where PCs can go, but that's not to say PC is any good, because to me by now developers who develop for the PC should be having the graphics of The Order on every game going but it doesn't, it's just the times it's going to get better but you can't blame the ps4 for it, it's down to the developers.

@ewalthour: I do agree that it was very cutscene Heavy, and there are many flaws to it, I do think they have a good base ground now esp with there engine the game is designed in, now could go on to make a great game I mean surely if they can make the gameplay mimic the cutscenes flawlessly I don't see any reason why they can't bring out a game with alot of gameplay in it, I just have to remind myself, this is there first attempt at a home console release and the game is by far the best looking game out there, and that is saying something when you look at the development teams on the other games who have been doing games for years, All this game does for people is a reminded at what developers can do with the playstation 4

@jcrame10: I think a game which is 6-7 hours long which has a compelling and engaging story, which has great gameplay elements is well worth the full price tag in my eyes, this probably doesn't include The Order as much as I loved it, I agree the gameplay elements were very short and there are way to many cutscenes for most people.

It all comes down to what genres your into and I guess what mood your in, when you sit down and play, just like how you sit down to enjoy a movie, can come down to the mood your in, to which movie you watch.

@jcrame10: Of course thats another debate entirely tho, I also agree with you that it may not be worth the asking price, but is a game which is 30+ long and has 100 of missions which are basically the same mission over and over again worth the full price, I mean the order may be short but the gameplay graphics and the story are very solid and tight, I could go round all games and tell you that they could of done more. I do agree tho, the market needs to change the pricing of things, I mean would the order sell more at a cheaper price, would even review scores reflex the price, I believe it might do, I honestly think most reviews are based on the price of the game rather than what it offers.

For me tho it was truly amazing experience and honestly cannot wait to see what a development team like that can do, i think we forget this is there very first game on a home console, there other outings are on vita, I cannot believe what they have pulled off for there first attempt.

Evolve tho got good reviews???? and yet how could it, half the content is locked out for dlc, or to buy, the actual game is shocking there isn't anything to it, even free to play games come with more stuff.

It was a shock for me to see you saying this at the age of 16, when the average gamer nowadays is 25+, the fact that on the PS4 and Xbox One the average game is a mature one should seal your opinion to, your never to old to game. I mean try find me a game on PS4 which caters for anyone younger than 18, there is hardly any games out there for anyone younger, at least as ratings go and how can you be to old, when we have people reviewing games who are 30+ gaming is a hobby and I feel a better and more productive time than sitting down and watching rubbish on TV, the only problem is, still at this moment in time, people believe games are for kids and yet the average kid couldn't even grasp the concept and story of more than half the games out there.

I don't agree with the reviews for the order, I think the game was already doomed before it was released.

The real problem is, we live in such a negative world now, and instead of focusing on what the game aims for and what genre it's in, it's all combed with the same brush, every reviewer I seem to know always seems to lead with negatives and it always out ways the good.

I am not going to say the order is the greatest game there is, but what it does do, is give you an experience that a lot of games don't and what gameplay there is, it is solid and works well in my eyes, the story holds up and is good, games like this and every game for that matter should be reviewed on the basis of what genre it is in, and not compared to every game, which most games are nowadays.

Were only just getting to the point these developers are making there second game for the PS4, same goes for the Xbox One were still in the early phase of the next gen, the problem is, Alot of younger gamers these days would give up quality for quantity or believe quality should be right there from the first game, this is why such a linear game like The Order 1886 is getting so much negative press because of the length and yet dying light which is an ok game but the story is pretty weak and average, the gameplay is alright but the actual missions are pretty repetitive and yet it's getting better scores but it still does nothing new.

You can claim that 14months in and we should be expecting amazing things, but go back to the PS3 start and the Xbox 360 start and it took a couple of years for games to be producing amazing results, we should all expect these developers have got stuck in with there new systems and for there second outings we should be expecting alot better, this right here just shows how gamers are today, expecting great things now, gone are the days where people understood quality takes time and things don't just happen with a click of the fingers. it is still early days for consoles, give it time, I mean look at Xbox One as an example all there best titles are already franchises before, we've hardly had any new IP's all I want to say to younger gamers with that fast process mind set is, calm down, the games will come stop being in such a rush.

You have been lucky in the fact we have had actually one of the best starts in a gaming console war, with the game selection and releases than any other system since forever.