@bloodbornelore: Ok... After thinking a bit in my last reply... this is not a nice game anymore. We are only bashing ourselves with name calling and depreciations. What do you think about a temporal truce. I say temporal because, consedering our views, we are going to clash again in the future in the comment section.
I believe this topic is dry... what about you?
On a side note: Congratulations on three teams on the quarter finals of the champions... And please, put a word for me and make the those teams to stay away from FC Porto. And no, it not about hating your country, is about survival instinct... (PS: it was joke... just in case)
@bloodbornelore: "Yes, you are a bad person, you miserable lefty."
We can debate it when I decide to do something on purpose in order to make other people feel disgust. Until then, you should control your impulses in the definition of good or evil. It makes you not very clever. And thats my way of being nice...
"You’re just a xenophobe"
Strong attack... I would feel offended if it were true. There is awesome people in all countries. But there are always bad apples. Stating some facts its not enough to call me a xenophobe.
On the other side of the coin, you are a snob, a pretentious person who project yourself as a righteous person, but thats something you clearly are not. You are more upset with a person who agrees with Disney, than with people with Nazi ideology.
Because, make no mistake, thats what they are (the ones using Nazi ornamentation), people who supports Nazi ideology.
"I have not made one remark about your country."
You prefer to make remarks about other people... Do you want a list of all the insults you wrote? LOL
"clean your dirty soul"
I have not certainties in life, besides the fact that my soul is 100% clean. Thats the best part in every debate, when it comes to moral and soul, I´m playing at home. And this is probably the ony topic in wich I really am arrogant.
But are you sure is my soul that needs to be clean? And thats how you think a soul is clean? With money? LOL
"If you really are a nice guy then start acting like it."
I only stopped being totally nice when the name calling started. You may have not liked my opinions, but I never insulted anyone, contrary to you. But you made me change a bit my posture... What can I say... I´m a nice person, not a saint...
"It’s like you have good empathy in your brain..."
My empathy does not comes freely, it needs to be earn.
"Eventually, you’ll grow up..."
If growing up means to be like you, nah... I´m fine...
One day you will understand that there is ton of people in this world, with different beliefs, different views, and different sensibilities. And, as long as respect goes both ways everything will be fine. You are right on one thing, there is a lot of hypersensibility these days. People are outraged by almost everything, and the media only inflates this feeling. The irony in all this situation is that Gina is the living proof of that, and you are unable to see it.
@bloodbornelore: "In my country at least, they can’t fire you without a good reason."
And that's why the definition of "good reason" is very important.
If you have a contract you can´t fire no one without a good reason. That's an obvious fact. So... one of the two things happen. Or Gina was not fired, but her contract not renewed. Or Gina was fired, and if that's the case and you are right (not a god reason), she has tools to defend herself. So you need a move from Gina to be right about this situation... I dont...
So the question is... if the law is on her side, what is stopping her from action?
If the law is on Disney side, whe are only debating Gina and her group of followers (Jews with Nazi ornamentation) victimization.
@Gamod: Maybe... but I saw all Batman movies (even the bad ones) and I never saw nothing as stupid as that. That's why BVS is probably the only superhero movie I really can´t enjoy. Even so, this review a case study. But I need to the movie in order to make a proper review.
My prediction is that Zack version is going to be better (it has 4 hours, it really needs to be) than the "original" movie. Still, I have many doubts about some excitement online, but I really hope to be surprised.
@bloodbornelore: Actually, the playing time is over. You twisted some of my words to fit your argumentation. But no more. I play it nice, but I do learn, and now I know were you coming from. (Ps: not a country reference)...
You talk about weird feelings and facts... yet, you never addressed the fact that freedom is not an open concept in your mind. You want freedom for just one side of the equation. Thats not how a person who defendes freedom works. But deep inside, we know that freedom is not the thing you are defending.
"Just as Pascal did two years prior."
See... and again you just see only one side of the equation... Pedro did the same thing as Gina? Correct. Disney told him to control himself, and did the same thing to Gina. Pedro stopped, Gina dont. So, are we going to blame Pedro to use his brain?
In the end, choices and consequences. Life in a nutshell.
"Nor was it a firable offence. And that’s a fact too."
Tell that to Gina... there are places (courts) that she can use if the law is on her side... OH wait... :)
"You’re such a disgruntled extreme leftist, it makes me cringe. There’s my ad hominem, since you think I’m a Nazi ornament collecting Trumpanzie and all that. ;)"
LOL... I never said you were a Nazi, and I know that I´m not an extreme leftist. But the fact that you think that I said "you are a Nazi ornament collecting Trumpanzie" maybe says more about how you really feels inside than what I think about you.
What I do believe is that you have no problems with people using Nazi ornamentations, that you think Trump is nice guy (which makes sense considering the Nazi ornamentation), that you think the freedom only works in one direction and that you are unable to understand how unity works.
"Thanks for the laughs."
That's my pleasure. I´m not like some guys who would like to use Nazi ornamentations to cause disgust... :)
PS: "I personally thought “Olympian God” was an apt comparison to my measurement over you"
Of course you do. I have zero doubts about it... let's not forget, at the end of the day... you are British... Yes, now you can call me nationalistic again .. LOL
I´m going to see this movie and I really hope an improvement from the previous movie. But...adult themed? Are we talking about the same universe? I remember Batman trying to kill Superman because : "if we believe there’s even a one percent chance that he is our enemy we have to take it as an absolute certainty… and we have to destroy him."
This is not "adult themed", this is just the stupidest thing Batman ever said... and I´m being nice.
So, let's control emotions and not allow to be carried away...
Gina said something that a lot of people think is stupid and disgusting, Disney saw the action, took a look into the pros and cons, and choose to not be bothered with her anymore. But fair is fair, and if Gina is right she has the courts to appeal... What do you think? Will she do it? No... Uhm....
"firing Gina for her political views"
No... Not because of her political views. That's an argument that lacks proof. That's just a justification for her words and an effort to excuse her for any responsibility. Thats not how things work...
And unless 99.9% of the actors on Disney are democrats the logic falls flat...
"It’s Nationalistic by definition."
My advice is the same... go see what nationalistic means. But I know you don't care.
The essence of our debate is freedom. Freedom for everyone or just for a few. You are ok with Gina freedom of expression (fair enough), but not so much when that freedom reaches the ones who can be directly affected by that freedom of expression.
My agreement with Disney position in this situation does not changes the fact that a company must be free to choose the people that they want to work with. It doesn't matter if you think that what Gina said is offensive or not, all that matter is that the people who can be affected by her words do believe it was offensive.
So... You are simply an hypocrite who wants to voice just one side of the equation. I guess that, for you, freedom is only good when it fits your interests.
And I can tell you in advance that, if Disney decides to hire her again you won't be seeing me crying about it. At the end of the day, its their choice, and they are the ones who have to deal with her.
PS: Every time you feel the desire to call me nationalist, read your own statements about England. Its a hell of an irony your inability to see that differentiation is what makes something "special"... I was kidding about you guys not liking us, but now that I read your posts... I not only believe that you guys are right about Brexit, I also have no doubt it was a necessity for all of us.
@bloodbornelore: "This speaks volumes and fits so perfectly into my description of you."
I´m not gonna lie... At this point I don't know what are you crying for. If agreeing with you (England) makes you pissed... What can I say...
"your unexplained perspective of the UK somehow receiving special treatment from the EU"
I already gave you one example. But, because Brexit is not the main topic I decided to move forward... yet, you want to come back to this topic... Why?
"You can’t post something crazy like that..."
What? Agreeing with Brexit? And support your country right to be free from the EU?
"1) you assumed I was a Trump supporter from America"
Yes... And then you said you were from the UK, and I move forward... But somehow you can't... interesting...
"2) brought up Brexit after learning that I was British."
Yes... I made a joke about you guys living the EU (not liking us)... and then you made me explain it was about Brexit. You are a very sensitive person...
"This is why I didn’t reveal my country to you at first because I knew what you were like."
Yes... And I put the cards in the table without a second thought. Thats is also something to differentiate us...
"If you don’t want to be labelled as a nationalist then don’t be nationalist, it’s that simple."
Tell me a direct quote that justify your claims to label me as a nationalistic. No more bullshits, a direct quote.
"Just what exactly is this “special treatment” in which you believe in without clarity? All part of the joke? Yeah, I’m not buying it. You’ve been caught."
So... Are we talking about Brexit again? I already gave you a simple example ( the coin) (there are others), yet, it makes no sense to driften the debate unto that theme.
You didn't like the joke? Fine. But don't call me nationalistic when the only one of us clearly excited with this theme is you. You said it yourself, you dont think about Portugal, and I dont think about England... besides the football clubs, because those are great.
"Don’t backpedal on your ignorant crap and call it a joke."
Oh... Don't worry about that, I never "backpedal". I made a simple joke and you didn't get it, that's fine. Yet, because it was a joke I can't say it was something different, no matter your desire.
"You already admitted to saying it was because you weirdly thought the EU gave the UK special treatment."
Now you are being dumb. I say that in order to explain why I'm a supporter of England decision. Why Brexit is something I agree, and all of this in order to make context of the previous joke. How you see this in a negative way is beyond me.
"claim about the EU giving Britain special treatment. You said it was a fact. Now, you’re backpedaling."
My god... You are obsessed with this situation... Only shit... And you call me a nationalist? Really? LOLOL...
But just in case... yes, you guys always had a preferential treatment. But I guess is easy to see it looking up then looking down. And before you go all berserk again, I really dont care about your arrogance on this matter. Deep down you know that what I´m saying is right. But call me blind again...
"Or you’ll just randomly start talking about Nazi ornaments..."
Regarding Gina situation I being talking about Nazi ornamentation for a long time. Yet, you were unable to prove me wrong... nor you try, you just change the subject. But no more, I´m done playing with words. I will not let you run away from the core of the statements again.
"When you say you think we’re more alike than I think..."
Bro, dont worry about it... that was is in fact my only mistake in our debate. You started as very educated and a not offensive person. I lowered my defenses, but thats life, it doesnt comes without consequences. And I learned from my mistake.
"most visitors of this site simply don’t agree with"
Did you missed the part I don't care about what people in this site thinks? If you enjoy following the flock, good for you... I will only follow the flock if the flock is in the same direction as me.
"you probably think we’re dangerous"
Nah... Now you giving yourself too much credit...
I believe that people like you can be dangerous in groups... like most bullies.
But one on one, or group against group... not so much... Ahaha (PS: it was a joke - just in case you miss that too)
"you’re such an extremist lefty on a pedestal"
Yet... You are the olympic god...LOLOL
"I’m nothing like you"
See... We finally agree on something. LOL
"I wouldn’t be at all surprised if you were a trans-activist middle-aged mother who complains about violent video games"
Oh... Do I sense a transphobic moron? And, once again making assumptions about me. And then crying that I do the same thing about you... So pathetic...
But you are right. We are nothing alike, and that puts a smile in my face and a soft buff of fresh air in my soul. I respect everyone equality, and others people happiness. So, yes, I respect trans people, I respect diversity, but most importantly I respect good human behavior. You should try it...
Note: I love violent games... but let me guess too... you like ME 3... :)
@bloodbornelore: You are very complicated person...
After "I don’t want to converse with someone who.." I thought the conversation was over. Yet, here we are again. Fine by me, but I got a sense that along the line you are going to blame me for this to happen.
"You keep changing your story as to why you brought up Brexit."
No... My story is the same from the start... I only had to develop the theme because the joke didn't hit the mark. My mistake, no doubt about it, if I knew it would triggered you the way it did I would have said nothing.
"Democrats have an agenda..."
Everyone has an agenda, don't get mistaken by that...
"back in November, Gina was actually in talks to have her own Mandalorian spin-off series."
The difference is that you believe that she doesn't have a job because of these other people, while I believe that she lost her job because of herself. This was the essence of our debate... You see an agenda, I see an action / reaction. You see discrimination based on political views, I see a company choice based on working with a toxic asset.
Gina is not the first republican working for Disney and certainly it will not be the last.
"what she said wasn’t actually a firable offence by law"
If she is right all she needs to do is sue them. And if she wins, she wins. As long as justice prevails, fine by me. Let's see what she does...
"all I provided were hard, cold facts on the issue."
You are not allowed to throw the cold facts as a weapon when all you have is an opinion. Same as me, obviously...
"you became incredibly miserable and sorry for yourself over the British apparently not liking the Portuguese"
Ok... Let's return to this topic, but dont blame me again... Why in the world would I feel miserable and sorry? LOL
I told you what I thought about your departure from the EU... So... If I´m ok, and also a supporter, that means I´am "incredibly miserable and sorry"? That makes sense in your mind?
"UK received special treatment from the EU, which is a strange belief you refuse to clarify"
Come on man... I start to have a feeling you want a debate about this topic. Want a simple example? The coin. But I really hope that's the end of the line about this topic. Because otherwise I bet the next word you would use is "natiolistic" and its not funny anymore...
"You even said it saddened you to learn that I was from Britain."
LOLOLOL... Now is becoming pathetic... See the context of the statement. Just a tip, we were talking about Nazis costumes. It has nothing to do with the nationality per se. But who am I kidding? You already know that...
"Because they’re hypocrites to themselves."
Maybe... but that doesn't means this was not the right choice for them to make. From a business standpoint...
"Gina getting fired for saying things she was totally within her LIBERTY to say"
Freedom of speech comes with responsibility. I already told you this many times. You are responsible for your actions and for your words.
I would understand Disney keeping her as an employee. And I also understand Disney decision of parting ways with her. To me its all ok. And reading what she wrote, yes, it makes perfect sense to me to put her as far away as possible.
"At least we know there’s not a lot of difference between a blind sheep and a blind snake."
Oh... I always ride that horse... Of that, make no mistake about it...
"yourself as a disgruntled, brainwashed lefty"
Nah... You only say that because you are an ignorant unable to understand my initial point. I would call you blind to the simple fact that liberty is a two way street, it has to be for everyone, not just for some people.
"I shone a light on you like an Olympian god."
Oh boy... How much am I gonna use this... LOL
"Your agenda to attack the Right inadvertently backfired on you"
I was waiting for that "agenda" thing... but I will not try to explain again how wrong you are... we already debated that many times already.
"made a lot of mistakes about me."
I only made a few assumptions, contrary to you. Yet, most of those assumptions look right, now more than ever...
"purposely triggering yourself emotionally"
My friend, now you are giving yourself too much importance... even for a Olympian god.
"I don’t like Nazi’s either but if it’s going to entice disgust in you for me to dress up as Hitler or Napoleon then I think it would be a barrel of laughs"
I have disgust of a lot of things. Something more than others. But if you would do it on purpose in order to cause disgust... then you are not a nice person, and that is not an assumption.
"Then let’s not forget that you brought up Brexit in this debate, exposing your nationalism..."
You can call it whatever you want. I made a joke, you got triggered, I explained the joke (with Brexit), you got triggered again, and from that moment is "nationalistic" in every statement... You my friend have a problem. You seem so obsessed with the idea of nationalism. Why? What is it that it scares you so much? Why a simple joke made you such a snowflake?
"to divert away from a question you didn’t like"
I replied to all your questions. If you can see it or not... well... thats a different question...
1) "That’s when you insinuated I defended Nazi’s just because you didn’t like my question."
I defended that you are ok with people dressed as Nazis and people with Nazi ornamentations. And you only proved me right...
2) "you said that your sudden outburst about Britains not liking the Portuguese was a joke"
Yes... And its sad I had the need to talk about Brexit because it should have been obvious what I was joking. But you made me go there, otherwise you would not understand... but then again, after explanation I got a feeling you still dont get it...
The rest of your argumentation just fall flat because you make a ton of assumptions and somehow you want me to justify your own assumptions.
"proven to be a disgruntled liar, making nationalistic remarks about me"
Wau... Stop the car big boy, or should I say Olympian god? LOL... You better stop a little bit with the name calling. I'm the nicest person you can find in here, but even I have a limit with morons insulting people.
"It’s your extreme views that are the problem..."
Nup... That's just stupid and wrong. I´m the only one of us that is up for freedom. I want Gina and Disney to be free. Gina to be free to say the most stupid thing, and Disney to get free of that stupidity.
Don't you feel its a bit extreme to make a company work with people they don't want to work with? Ahhh... Right, yes... I´m the guy with extreme views...
"If you’re mildly conservative on Twitter..."
Yeah... I don't care, I dont have twitter... LOL
"The Internet’s Cancel Culture has completely warped your fragile mind."
Yes... Because I believe in freedom of choice for everyone... LOL
"You act cute and dress up your arguments with good manners..."
Because I like the use of good manners. It elevates the debate, shows respect for the other side, and allows different views to grow without insults or bad behavior. Sorry if that is not your thing... you fooled me in the begining.
"Don’t try to turn this into “I hate Nazis so I hate Gina.”"
Why do you keep twisting my words? The expression is not "I hate Nazis so I hate Gina"... Since the start my take was "Gina statement is stupid and offensive because the Nazis are on her side of the barricade"...
Something you can't prove wrong. But I will assume you would like to talk about Halloween again...
"I don’t want to converse with someone who..."
Contrary to what you may think... all you need to say is... "the conversation is over"... That's how respectful I am...
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