@videogameninja: "Most people l have interacted with feel that happened during ME3."
It started when EA entered the chat...
Then in the end of ME2 when Drew and Chris L'Etoile left... and the moron, I mean Supermac, I mean Mac Walters... took control of the writing... It began in the Arrival dlc, you can clearly see the writing dying... and then yes, that thing called ME3...
Dont get me wrong, ME2 was my favourite game, even with its flaws, but after ME3 is just a sad memory of a love who died...
The only good knew I receive from BioEAre since the end of ME2... To be perfect is to also receive the new that Mac Walters is also leaving... but that would be way to good to be real...
@Donut0389: "If women with muscles made me insecure about my manhood, I wouldn't be popping a tent over Cara Dune in Mandalorian every time she's on screen."
Come on man... You can do better, Gina is very hot and not necessarily very muscular in the Mandalorian. Try again...
"No the issue with that sex scene is that it is entire unnecessary and is extreme tonal whiplash."
I disagree... That scene, while "brutal" is awesome from a narrative standpoint. Without many words it shows the "nature" of the relationship between Abby and Owen. It also shows the kind of life both choose to take and how that choice put a wall between the two... thats something that TLOU2 do a lot, tell a story without words...
"I meant that if you can't get people involved in the story at its base level..."
Let's face it... More than 80% of the people who couldn't get "involved in the story at its base level" already have their mind set before the game release... and it has a very basic justification "they killed Joel"...then yes, you have the homophobic morons, the agenda guys, and so on...
"Fundamentally, videogames need to be fun in some form."
The sole definition of fun is debatable. Otherwise you would not have dramas, scary movies (not the comedy ones, LOL), some thrillers...
I'll admit that joy is not how I would call my first experience (the second one is incredible different), but what I received was way deeper. I dont recall a game were I reach the "ending boss" and my feeling was "please move on, let her go, let her go"... And the feeling of happiness and releaf when both girls win a new begining...Maybe I'm getting too old, but damn, that was more powerful for me than just crazy stupid fun. (not diminishing the value of such games).
"Or at best it's spurts of fun bookended by a bleak, dreary, dystopian essay on the dark parts of humanity."
I saw two girls go deep into the darkness, and both of them find the light in the end... Call me sentimental, but I like when "messed up" people choose good over evil...
"TLoU2 is just shock value..."
Because people are not used to things being thrown at them without filter. This game is not kind or nice, is raw, its direct, its dark and yet, always speckled with a little of hope in the mix.
@Donut0389: "If a prospective audience can't get over the surface level of it, your story fails at it's most basic objective."
Maybe... But if the other side of that coin gets the story it also says a lot about the ones who didn't get it... Not to call them nothing of course...
"TLoU2 is just a bad revenge story"
So... The story went over your head... Got it...
"wholly unsatisfying conclusion"
Not if you are a good human being... If you are a good person the ending is great...
"your main character agressively and without remorse kills hundreds between cutscenes"
Besides Nora is all in self defense... So...
"TLoU2 has a scene where She-Hulk is explicitly and in great detail railed raw dog from behind..."
So... Too much for you? It was a very normal scene, but maybe it's me, I don't have any problems with sex in all its possibilities...
And She- Hulk? Does Abby scares you? Because it has muscles? LOL
"My issues are that the story sucks..."
Nah... Your issue is that you didn't like the story (or didn't get it), which is a very different thing...
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